Notice 2020-2021 NBA Season......

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  1. THE HCP

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    Im thinking Feb 1
     
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    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    So he said in that interview last month that he wanted to wait until there could be fans in the seats......I just don’t see that happening ANYTIME soon. Maybe Silver Realized this and said why not Christmas then.
     
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    You might have some insight on this but how can the NBA hope to pay their players what their contracts guarantee for a full season (obviously withholding the 25% escrow) but do so without the 40% of their revenue that live attendance accounts for while keeping the owners' heads above water? I mean MLB and the NFL seem to be willing to do it and with you having a career in the world of professional sports or at least one that works with these organizations maybe you can explain to me how these leagues can make this work.
     
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    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    That stuff is WAY over my head. I just know the game, not the business side of it.
     
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    Cool, I just don't know how you take that kind of hit, especially looking at their margins. Very few owners are making enough money off of their team to stay in the black if they cut their revenues by 40% and only cut their expenditure by like 15-20%. I just don't know how any of it would work and frankly I don't think they know either and that's why there isn't a set date yet. I think they are just waiting for the players to finish out the playoffs so they can salvage what revenue they can out of this season and then spring some harsh realities on the players that I'm not sure the players will be cool with at all.
     
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    Im not sure but I thought if they didn't play next year it voids the CBA?
     
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    There going be a season when it starts that's going be up to owners and the players. On salaries there has to be give both ways. I see a 60 game season I see fans will attend but not full house. I know the NFL going going fans in seats but not a full house. The NBA need pay attention what's the NFL doing.
     
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    All I got to say is IF the Lakers win the Covid Championship....put a big (*) next to it!
     
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    Would you say the same had our Blazers won?
     
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    I'm pretty sure the owners are going to void the CBA anyway. That doesn't mean that they don't owe players their money. If the owners rip up the CBA which they have until like November to do now and can't come to a new agreement with the NBAPA then each player or more likely all players with contracts would file suit against the owners. The contracts are guaranteed so it would definitely be some kind of battle. I'm sure cooler heads will prevail but for sure we will have a new CBA between the time these playoffs end and next season begins.
     
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    I'm sure there is a standard provision in all the contracts that outline situations when the contract is not guaranteed.

    Work stoppage due to CBA negotiations is most definitely one of those situations. Players may file suit - but they wouldn't have a strong claim....
    It's really not any different from the last 2-3 times there have been work stoppages in the NBA due to CBA agreements. Players didn't get played if the league was not operating.
     
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    of course not ;)

    whoever wins - earned it!

    with one exception :cheers:
     
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    John Hollinger (former Grizz Exec, Oregonlive sportswriter and the creator of PER) was on The Fan and had some interesting things to say about Portland. Basically, an interesting team but with no changes, not near contending.

    Sadly, sounds like so many recent years.
     
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    Duh! I been saying that for a long time. We really blew it in that 2017 draft. That was our one shot with this core to add something useful. We had 3 picks to play with and hedged 2 of them for weak ass Zach Collins.
     
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    Last time there was a lockout the season was shortened but the players got paid in full because the league was the party causing the work stoppage. If the players chose to strike they wouldn't likely get money for games they chose to cancel. If the league decides to restructure the current CBA and the players don't agree to it then the league would ultimately likely go under and sell off assets and the players could still go after owners. These contracts are guaranteed. Read the CBA. That doesn't mean they are guaranteed unless all of the owners just decide that the players are making too much money so now all contracts are void. If the NBA terminates the CBA due to the force majeure they have to immediately enter into good faith negotiations. If the NBAPA declares that the owners aren't acting in good faith the owners don't just get to take their money and go home... these contracts are guaranteed. The NBA and NBAPA would then enter into litigation and the players would for sure end up getting paid. The owners don't get to just call the shots after they've entered into legally binding agreements. The players would have to say, "OK all of that money you guaranteed us, you don't owe us that anymore." That's not happening. When a CBA is terminated the active guaranteed contracts do not go away... if you don't believe me read the CBA. This isn't the NFL or MLB, those owners can choose whether or not they honor their contracts unless they've guaranteed the money but not in the NBA. Now if the NBA can't make enough money for whatever reason to pay the players out of the close to 50% of BRI, the current CBA says the owners can withhold money from the players but that all has to be done in good faith and if not the players can litigate. If the owners choose to terminate the current CBA again, those contracts don't go away... the owners actually would be gambling that they would be able to negotiate that they could hold more in escrow than they previously negotiated and that's not happening either. The owners are on the hook.
     
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    I might be talking out of my ass, but here goes: the CBA contains a force majeure clause that would allow the owners to 'cancel' the CBA in a catastrophic event, and one of the listed evens was a pandemic. One thing though, that clause specified that force majeure had to be declared within 60 days of the beginning of the event. So for Covid, that would have probably been sometime in March. So normally, we'd be long past the deadline

    however, in the agreement between the NBA and player's association that allowed for the season to resume in the bubble, the union allowed the owners to punt the force majeure apparatus till the conclusion of this season

    so then, the owners can still essentially shitcan the current CBA this season, if they want. I have no clue if the owners will do it, but I've read a few writers who seem convinced the owners will cancel the CBA, or at least hold that option in reserve as long as they can because they will have to return to the table and meet with the union to build the framework for a next season that misses just about every deadline on the calendar. Having the force majeure arrow in their quiver might squeeze some concessions from the players
     
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    The NBA has until October 15th to decide if they will terminate the CBA but that's just for now... I'm pretty sure the NBAPA will give them another extension.

    https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id...back-window-preserving-cba-termination-rights
     
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    Blah, blah, blah.... I'm glad we have someone so knowledge as you around.

    As I said, there is a provision so the teams dont have to play the players if no games are occurring.
    https://www.jacksonkelly.com/the-le...yers-to-go-without-pay-during-covid-19-crisis

    Here's another one:
    https://www1.villanova.edu/villanov.../2020/Covid19andcontractualramifications.html
    So again, if the season is canceled - the players under contract dont get paid.
     

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