Trade Ideas Thread

The two bolded statements contradict each other.

 

We also need a bench in the worst way. Getting Hood back, Collins, and Ariza makes a huge difference to our depth. But I still think the experiment of Simons at point guard has failed miserably and I have always hated having CJ play point guard with the second unit because he just decides that it's MeJ Time and passes maybe one in four or five possessions.

 

good call, but as a backup for 15 mpg, I'm alright with Lin.

 

Sometimes the internet can be cleverly cruel:

 

Which team gets a bad deal? Pelicans of course will get worse in current value if they trade Jrue and they will want future assets. They will only trade him for longterm value.
In terms of fit i believe Philly gets better. They don't have a guard that can create his own shot and they miss that a lot.

 

I'd say PG13 eleven times out of 10. Of course, I'm assuming the Blazers will have to send CJ out in either fantasy trade. Portland needs elite two-way talent at wing in the worst way and PG checks that box

but I'd do CJ for Jrue eleven times out of 10 as well.

 

These are two different trades. The one that works is CJ and Ariza for Richardson and Harris... I think Philly would have to add a sweetener to that deal, like their first rounder this year but the trade essentially works for both sides talent wise and it works for salary/CBA purposes too. The other trade no matter if we added a player from Philly or anything else is so far lopsided that we need to add 15 or more million in salary to make it work that way and there is no way to make it work as far as making the talent exchange work.

I have been advocating a trade of CJ and Ariza for Richardson, Harris and #21. Then we would need to bring in a back up guard that can defend both 1s and 2s (I like Michael Carter Williams) and we'd probably still want to add front court depth (if Hood is going to be ready and/or Melo comes back for the min then I like Nerlens Noel if neither of those guys are going to be active for us then we might want to get another wing). I do think that if we are going to trade CJ it's either this trade or CJ and a first rounder or even two to the Bucks for Middleton. I like the Philly trade better but a lot of people in here don't think we get enough in that deal, those same people balk at adding picks to the Middleton deal, I think those people and Neil overvalue CJ at a ridiculous level making any move unlikely unless there were no cap and we got something like Jrue, Richardson and Harris coming here for just CJ, Zach, Trevor, Ant and picks. Wow just typing that out makes me realize just how phenomenally you undervalue Jrue Holiday.

 

This came on the basis of a Dinwiddie/Musa/Allen offer for Jrue and I wondered if we can beat that. I didn't just think that getting Jrue is piece of cake.

 

How many first rounders would you add to CJ to get either of those two guys? I would honestly put in two maybe even three. Either one of those two gives us so much more defense and not too much less offense. I just don't know if the way that NOLA is constructed if they would want a guy the same age as Jrue, they'd likely want more youth to go with what they already have. That being said, CJ's shooting and lack of size as a shooting guard would go with Ball's lack of shooting and size as a point guard. Both teams may have an issue trading within the conference but I actually believe that tends to be overstated.

 

A lot of people doing the Trader Bob "no chemistry" team creation strategy. But for every Rasheed Wallace there's a Shawn Kemp.

 

I would rather go Trader Bob and have a chance at a title, then Cake Bake and get ousted in the first round constantly because we simply have no depth.

 

The only way we get Jrue Holiday is if NOLA really likes CJ's scoring and believes that's what they need along with draft considerations and/or maybe a guy like Nas. Jrue is a two way player and the can't be said for CJ even though CJ is the superior scorer. As far as the Nets rumors go, they'd have a helluva time making those salaries work but that package likely has the same value as CJ and picks/prospects.

 

No, that's not like saying "Why would the Spurs want Ginobili just to be their bench guard" because the Spurd had him already. This is a discussion in terms of the VALUE GDiama is saying we should give up for him. I'd love Holiday as a 3rd guard, just not for ALL THAT.

Our all in move shouldn't be on a 3rd guard, and that's what you guys seem to be suggesting. Paying our backcourt a combined $95M a year doesnt seem to be smart either.

 

I think what we've seen over the last 8 and especially the last 5 seasons is that Dame is the chemistry. He can get along with and does get along with just about everyone in the league (including Paul George) not named Patrick Beverley. Dame is probably the best leader in the game today and gets a lot out of the guys around him. So chemistry in this case is overrated... the only thing that kills our chemistry is on court and it's CJ... his lack of defense and brilliant offense that is in no way complimentary to Dame's is a huge problem. Dame acting like a mentor and leader to everyone else but treating CJ like an equal and not, in Dame's diplomatic way, putting CJ in line is a huge problem. This is Dame's team and everyone outside of Dame, CJ, Stotts and Olshey knows that... those four guys are under the delusion that it's Dame's and CJ's team.

On a side note when you use examples, try not to use two of the most unique cases in league history. That was like saying for every Dennis Rodman there's a Lance Stephenson. There's never been anybody with the talents of Rasheed in this league who didn't want to dominate the way Rasheed could have, so I don't know if Sheed is the example I'd use of shining success. Then you have Shawn Kemp who had the biggest fastest fall from being dominant to being dysfunctional due to substance abuse in league history. Weird examples to pick.

 

The two OBVIOUS things we should try:

- CJ and #16 (and potentially a future 1st or 2nd) for Khris Middleton and #24

- #16 for Bjelica (TPE) and #35... OR #24 and a future 2nd for Bjelica (depending on if we could get Middleton)

That'd give us 8 rotation guys under contract with only 1 rotation spot left to fill (we'd still have our MLE)

Lillard
Middleton
Ariza
Bjelica
Nurkic
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Trent
Hood
Collins

Collins could be our backup 4 or backup 5, so you could use the MLE on a forward or center.

I'd prefer to bring back Harkless and start him, giving us major switchability 2 through 4, as well as a top 2 bench in the league.

Lillard / Simons
Middleton / Trent
Ariza / Hood
Harkless / Bjelica
Nurkic / Collins

Thatd be Plan A if I was Olshey.

 

i like it but I’d prefer using the MLE on a backup PG than Harkless

 

Love Crowder and he's unrestricted.

 

We just need a stud at PF or SF. (Two-way player)

With the right SF, we are fine with a Collins/ Gabriel/ Little combo at PF.
With the right PF we are fine at SF with a Hood, Little, Gabriel combo.

I don't think it will easy to find the "right" player, but my point is we don't really need to replace both spots if we can find a star player at one of those 2 positions.

 

Could maybe use the BAE on a backup PG.

 

Maybe he doesn't want him anymore.....