Trade Ideas Thread

Warning Homer Trade:
CJ for Dillon Brooks and Jaren Jackson

Salaries don't match at all until their new contracts kick in. I don't know what date that is.

 

I don't know if that's so bad as far as talent and fit go but obviously the age thing would be a nonstarter for the Grizz. Also, I think you are saying that they would use their cap space to make this trade work and that would start as soon as the new league year starts, I don't think they've set that date yet.

 

Blazers out: CJ and Ariza
Blazers in: Jrue and Redick

NO out: Jrue and Redick
NO in: Horford and Richardson (and picks from Philly/Portland)

PHI out: Horford and Richardson
PHI in: CJ and Ariza

I like our 9 man rotation a lot:

Lillard/Redick/Holiday/Melo/Nurkic
Simons/Trent/Hood/Collins

 

I'd like to bring in a Paul George type of roleplayer, but preferably a little more reliable.

 

see page 185 of this thread

 

Way to much value for Philly and we and NOP get screwed.

 

I think Portland does fine there. They upgrade at starting SG, getting a better fit. And Reddick for Ariza has good and bad for Portland in it, but I think it's a push. A Dame/Jrue/Trent starting unit with Little on the bench has some potential, especially with the major improvement in defense

the Pels get screwed though, you're right about that (unless there are draft picks involved?)

 

You argued against little at SF because of his height,but you're ok with trent there?

 

IIRC, I argued mostly against Little at PF and Trent at SF, but I'm not really happy with either as the starting SF....unless they were there as a result of being in the process of rebooting the roster, which is what would be happening if the Blazers traded CJ for JRue

I'd think Dame/Jrue/Trent would be a decent transitional perimeter unit, especially considering the upgrade of perimeter defense. Ariza does not seem like much of a long term fit at SF, so he's transitional too. I'd be fine if the Ariza for Reddick part of the trade was dropped.

 

So you want to sacrifice shot creation and get a worse offensive fit in Jrue who is set to decline just to downgrade our size and defense at the 3? No thanks.

 

what shot creation? CJ?

CJ creates his own shots for sure, but he's not that good at it.

and, LOL, Jrue is only 33 days older than Dame. I guess they can "decline" together. And speaking of decline, when will Ariza start?...he's 35.

 

Big risk/reward

CJ (MAYBE add 16) for MPJ+Harris

 

Hes not that good at it? Debbie downer strikes again.

C.J. has bailed out our offense time and time again when it bogs down to nothingness and when teams take away Dame.

We lose Game 7 of the WCSF last year by double digits if we have Jrue instead of C.J.

Jrue has also been in the league since 2009, while Dame entered the league 3 years later. Jrue has also been knicked up his entire career.

Lateral moves sacrificing one area for another at the expense of familiarity and chemistry make 0 sense whatsoever, except to the "grass-is-greener" types.

 

I wouldn't add the 16th pick and I'd have them add Monte Morris to make salaries work and to add value. I don't think that is a good deal for Denver but I also think with MPJ's attitude and injury history we have to mitigate the risk. If Denver wants to win now then they would do the deal. If they are content waiting a couple more seasons to let everyone mature then that would likely be the smarter move 16th pick or not but on our side we have to make it worth the risk. I do like Gary Harris next to Dame though, he defends much better than CJ and hits the spot up three however he's not in CJ's stratosphere as a scorer.

 

Quick question, do you think the blazers should trade CJ? If so what kind of players would you aim for?

 

no...he's not that good at

* in isolation possessions, CJ averaged 0.88 points/possession. That was only in the 56th percentile (44% of the league was better) in the league, and that was 13.3% of his possessions. Dame scored 1.07 ppp in isolation on 18% of his possessions and that was good enough for the 87th percentile

* in PnR ball-handler, which was 36.3% of CJ's possessions, he averaged 0.93 ppp which was only good enough for the 71st percentile. Dame averaged 1.15 ppp which was in the 96th percentile, and that was 52% of his possessions.

those are the two most 'create-your-own-offense' types of possessions. By weight, that means CJ was somewhere around the 66th percentile leaving 1/3 of the league better at shot creation and that actually accounted for about 50% of CJ's possessions. CJ isn't nearly as good at it as you are implying. On the other hand, Dame is elite at shot creation, being somewhere in the 93rd percentile, and that accounted for 70% of his possessions. A big difference is that an essential component of creating offense is creating FT opportunities and CJ is terrible at that. Always has been, always will be

another play type that accounted for 14.5% of CJ's possessions was transition. Definitely a possession that would gauge some ball handling and shot creation. Well, CJ was only in the 45th percentile in that category. That's approaching two thirds of CJ's possessions, plays dependent on 'shot creation', and CJ is hovering around the 60th percentile. That's not impressive. But I don't demerit him a lot for transition offense because the entire team sucks at it

meanwhile, CJ is in the 83rd percentile in spot-up possessions (14% of his shots). He's in the 75th percentile in off-screen shots.

And CJ ranks 8th in the NBA among perimeter players in eFG% on catch-and-shoot. That's elite

but that illustrates the problem. CJ's prowess in creating his own offense is more mythical than real. Yes, he does it a lot, but he's not very efficient. He's much better on plays that don't see him dribbling like crazy, burning shot clock, and stopping the damn ball. His assisted FG rate is half of what it should be. He needs to play a lot more like Klay Thompson and a lot less like Dame. Yeah, every once in a while he'll have a hot game and his fans will point to it repeatedly, forgetting about all his nothing-burger games where he did the same thing but shot bricks while hogging the ball.

and you say he's "bailed out" the Blazers in games. Sure, he's done that but Portland would not need to be bailed out so often if CJ wasn't such a huge sieve on defense. That's where Holiday would be a big help (he was in the 88th percentile in isolation by the way).

 

No. Dame did. Nothing Westbrook or Donovan could've done about it.

 

I think we can get PG without giving up CJ. PG's stock is low.

 

I m pretty sure even if somehow salaries matched they would decline CJ for MPJ straight up. MPJ's ceiling is extremely high to ignore and his age fits perfectly their young group as it is right now. I also don't think CJ would be very good in their offense. Jokic and Murray handle the ball the rest of the Nuggets spot up for three or cut to the basket. I think although CJ has great offensive talent he doesn't fit.

 

Every gm and coach knows Paul George is still an all star caliber player. Sure a shitty game 7 but game 6 he was there. Clippers will keep him