Trade Ideas Thread

I’ll pass. He’s a chump

 

A CJ trade won't happen because Dame and Olshey loves him too much

 

Could we trade for a non-biased league?

 

My way too big, and never gonna happen trade idea:

Portland Out:
CJ
Hezonja
Ariza
Collins
Whiteside(S&T, starting at ~13)
#16

Portland In:
Horford
Tobias Harris
Josh Richardson
Matthias Thybulle
#21

Philly Out:
Horford
Harris
Richardson
Thybulle
#21

Philly In:
CJ
Collins
CP3
THeir choice of Whiteside or Ariza
#25

OKC Out:
CP3
#25

OKC In:
Ariza or Whiteside
#16

 

Consider that Kawhi is effectively the Clips' GM, both PG and Kawhi's contracts are up at the end of next year, and Kawhi's condition for coming to the Clips was that they acquire Paul George and I'd say that you're talking out of your ass.

 

Wowzers, I'd love a Jrue Holiday for CJ exchange.

 

The only problem is since Holiday was traded to New Orleans from Philadelphia he has on average missed about 23 games per season in the regular season.

now, can we afford to lose 23 games of our second best player per season?

we would need additional compensation

 

Not a trade idea, but if/when the Hornets buy Batum out (he’s definitely gonna opt in to his PO) this next season/off season, would y’all want him back? I think he would be a welcome addition at a low salary.

 

The more I think about it the more I think we could get Giannis and win a championship with him next season... which would keep him here. I think if Neil offered CJ, Zach, Nurk and every pick we can offer them for Giannis, George Hill and Brook Lopez, that would get our foot in the door or even close the deal. Maybe it's not enough for Milwaukee and they want Gary and Nas too but we want to keep Gary so we offer Nas and Ant. I think they would for sure go for that. It keeps them competitive now and going forward and gives them a ton of pieces to either move for another star or just have a really bright future. All of their talent and picks would be locked up, no chance they could just leave. They would be taking very little risk with the upside that all of those picks are high if Giannis doesn't re-sign with us. A rotation of Bledsoe, CJ, Middleton, Zach, Nurk, MLE, DiVencenzo, RoLo, and a possibly re-signed or opted in Wes would be really competitive in the East and would still get you home court advantage... again, unless you could turn some of the stuff we send over besides CJ and Nurk with some of your own picks into another big time player and then you stay a real contender. For us I think we win a title with a rotation of Dame, Gary, Ariza, Giannis, BroLo, Hill, Hood, MLE and ring chasers probably including Melo. That and Dame would get Giannis to stay.

I know Olshey, Dame and Stotts are enamored with our current squad but I would think Neil would at least have to shoot his shot at this. It would put us so much closer to a title now even though it would be a huge gamble with our future.

 

I don't think Milwaukee would do that. Have to have an all star coming back. Giannis is what a 2x mvp now, no way they let him go for less than Dame plus picks etc

 

It’s either they get something for him or he walks in FA. Like KD and OKC but Milwaukee has time to actually get something in return.

 

I don’t think it’s a comparable situation for Giannis or the Bucks...at least not yet. Giannis is saying that he wants to make it work with the Bucks. The Bucks are reportedly exploring ways they might work a trade to bring CP3 in to run the team. If they can pull something like that off and it works, Giannis has more incentive to sign an extension. OTOH, maybe the Bucks can’t make a splashy move and things go sour. My bet is that there’s zero chance of a trade for Giannis until the deadline and that’s only if he’s saying he’s done with the Bucks. At that point, the Bucks would take the best deal they can find. It’s not likely they’d get a megastar in return.

 

66th percentile isnt good? You literally search for numbers to pound into people's head sprinkled among 13 paragraphs... here you find out that hes 66th percentile in terms of your own basis for shot creation, but your negative bias wants to paint that as "not good".

Being a good catch-and-shoot player doesnt mean he isnt a good shot creator. Just because hes a great catch-and-shoot player doesnt mean he should NEVER try and create his own shot. That's some twisted as logic.

Also something your ignoring: Often times his shot creation steps up a level when the team needs it (usually when Dame is cold), which is crucial. But that cant be illustrated with synergy stats so you're probably lost on that.

 

lol...again with your fixation on the number of paragraphs I use. Maybe next, you can diagram my sentences and double-check punctuation

and what I said, was that CJ "was not THAT good" at shot creation and the context of the 'that' was the value of his shot creation vs any value Jrue Holiday would add with his size, positional versatility, playmaking, and defense. And so, in that context I'll say again that CJ's shot creation is not that good

Find where it was I said that CJ should never create his own shot. You won't of course because I never did. It's hilarious that you not only distorted what I said, you emphasized the distortion with a caps-lock. Do better with your straw men next time

what I have actually said is that CJ's assisted FG is about half of what it should be. It should be closer to 70% rather than 35%. That still leaves close to 1/3 of the time he's creating his own shots, so for CJ fans there would still be plenty of dribbling and ball hogging

Portland, as a team averaged 1.26 points/shot. CJ only averaged 1.15 and since we know he's pretty damn good at catch & shoot and spot-up, his points/shot mark on unassisted FG's is even worse than 1.15. On the other hand, Dame averaged 1.47 points/shot. Now there's somebody good at shot creation

nope, I'm not ignoring it, I'm just discounting it in the context of a trade for somebody like Jrue. I also don't believe it happens nearly as "often" as you apparently do

 

They could definitely gamble and keep Giannis but the idea that they'll be able to make a CP3 trade work is a hard one to wrap my head around when CP3 is making like 40 million and the Thunder are going to want young pieces to build around SGA not Bledsoe, Hill and BroLo and picks that only have value if you are gambling that Giannis leaves. For sure the Thunder are going to be able to find a contender or someone who is trying to win now who have a package with some combination of really promising young or at least younger players, picks and/or cap relief. This is Chris Paul we're talking about and he showed this season that he has quite a bit left in the tank. Make this trade work and then I'll agree that they would be smart to keep Giannis but I don't see that trade working out... they might just try to run it back with what they have and whatever they can get with the MLE and take their chances that the playoffs go better and Giannis stays but that's a big big gamble.

 

Ariza's contract needs to be guaranteed before offseason? If not we should have 10M cap space and 10M MLE since we are not projected to be taxpayers?

If we need to let Ariza go and get the cap space i think 30M/3 years for Crowder is a good first move. He might find more in Miami but it's not they are good with cap space and they have to think about rewnewing Dragic and also Adebayo's extension coming next season so they might want to avoid committing big money to Crowder.

After that 16M/2 years for JaMychal Green I believe is good as he can backup both big positions and if Zach doesn't improve he can even become a starter. He has imporved his 3 point shot a lot, rebounds extremely well and will bring some toughness in D.

Those are not some great moves that change the level of the team, but they are both very good role players that give their all every time on the court.

 

You water down your posts with so much fluffy nonsense without saying anything definitive or clear that you shouldn't be upset when people dont know exactly what your saying.

You're discounting it far too much. We don't make the WCF last year with Jrue instead of C.J. for the reasons I've stated.

 

I've watched a couple of your videos...you have enough 'fluffy nonsense' floating around your own glass house you shouldn't condemn it

yeah sure, and CJ led the Blazers past Jrue's pelicans the year before that too.

I think if you asked this forum about a straight up trade of CJ for Jrue, plenty of Blazer fans would take it. I'm not the only one here who liked that idea, or has liked it in the past

 

We’d need more than just a swap. CJ younger, and not injury prone. They’d have to throw in another player or pick.

 

If you did YouTube, people would get confused and would think it's a math channel, so you shit-talking my channel means nothing to me. I break down basketball, you're an "analytics are everything" type. Just own it.

It's not that I like or dislike the trade, it's that you'll skew anything to fit you're preconceived notions and throw out whatever numbers support it. You obviously think you know more than everyone here because you have a number for everything. Someone states a basketball opinion and it always reads like "well actually, youre wrong because of this stat, that stat, these stats, those stats". You're not dumb, I actually think you're pretty smart. The constant analytics-only, 20-stats a post approach gets annoying though. I dont like talking ball with you because it becomes more of a math conversation than actual basketball.. You're smart enough to talk basketball without giving people a headache.