Trade Ideas Thread

LOL....ok...let me get this straight, you're an oracle of basketball analysis and knowledge, while I'm just some clown spouting stats. I watch basketball but don't know what I'm watching. I've seen 7 years of CJ but don't understand his game.

is that where you're going?

you claimed CJ had value as a shot creator. Your words. I added some stats on shot creation, which certainly seems germane to the discussion, but apparently offends you. I didn't make the stats or doctor them or "skew" them. Just found them on NBA.com. Where CJ actually ranks in shot creation is going to help gauge his value as a shot creator, at least it does in my view

as opposed to saying "you're wrong" without using any stats? People disagree here all the time. You disagree with people here all the time...and you use stats some of the time. Where the fuck is the cut-off line for just the right amount of stats and too much? Is that a rule somewhere Ive missed?

in my experience, I've seen that people complain the most about using stats when those stats cut against an opinion they have. I'm certain that if I had posted stats showing what a great shot creator CJ was you would have been enthusiastic about my contribution

I own stock in Tylenol so handing out headaches is self-interest

 

CJ has a worse contract though so that offsets the injury histories a bit. Age is not a factor IMO because Jrue is the same age as Dame, and Dame is the gauge for moves

I'd do the trade, obviously, because I think the Blazers desperately need better defense in their starting back court, and Jrue can actually run an offense well on a consistent basis. He's not as redundant as CJ

that said, and even though I'm convinced Jrue would be an upgrade, I doubt he'd significantly alter Portland's trajectory over what CJ will provide. There would have to be more moves made that would complement the 'new' starting guards

 

Idk, the 2-3mil more per year is no big deal when he has on average missed 20 games a season since joining New Orleans.

 

No, YOU think you're the oracle Mr. Stathead!!!

Never called you a clown, just called smart! But you don't balance out stats and basketball-context at all. It's mainly 1, hardly 2. I can't remember a post you made about basketball that didn't include at least 3 random stats. On one-hand, you back things up, on the other, it's impossible to argue a basketball point of yours since it becomes a conversation about numbers instead of actual basketball.

Post stats that shines a good light on the Blazers? Since when have you done that... Guess I missed it.

 

I fail to see how noting stats corrupts a basketball discussion

if somebody says CJ is better than Khris Middleton, or vice versa, or that Vucevic is better then Nurkic, it's worth comparing the numbers of the two players involved. That advances the discussion, not inhibits it, at least it does in my view.

I've done it several times, but make an assertion and I might gauge it by posting numbers

reverse challenge....make a positive argument in favor of retaining Terry Stotts as coach....

 

Never said using stats corrupts an argument or that they shouldn't be used. Obviously you're missing the point.

I'd love Terry Stotts as our coach... if we're in tank mode.

 

I just want to say that Wizenheimer's posts do not give me a headache.

 

you keep using the word "obviously". I don't think the word means what you think it means. For instance, the point you're making is actually not over my level of understanding. I'm not missing the point, I just don't agree with it

basically, you're saying that using stats is fine unless somebody uses more stats than you think is fine. In other words, you're not arguing any principle, just a matter of degree; and it seems the degree depends on whether or not you agree with the story the stats tell

 

Same! I actually love the fact that he use stats to backup his points

 

thanks!

but my post seemed to give my wife a headache for years

 

Obviously you are missing the point, this post reinforces that.

 

Lucky.

 

Hey guys we are willing to trade Horford!

 

Horford doesn't have any value.

Would they consider Embiid trades?

 

I used to like the idea of Al Horford a few years ago. But maybe not so much anymore?
I was wondering? Can i use stats to make a case for him? Or just a case against him at this point?
Maybe just use a few stats and then give my opinion?

 

I should have wrote that in green sorry. ^^^^^^^

 

joe ingles for ariza / utah and blazers swap position in draft 23 for 16.
utah sheds a year of salary with mitchell and gobert contracts coming in 2021/22...more minutes for o'neal and niang. utah only has mitchell and bradley homegrown pics on their roster.
portland sheds another $2mil in salary for next season, gain another facilitator and stretch 4/3. shoots near 40%/3pt averages nearly 5 assists. savy defender.

 

Joe Ingles is one of those "Glue Guys". Love to have him but i don't know if Utah gives him up?

 

Idk either, might depend on who is there at 16 and how highly Utah felt about them. The money issues are real though as gobert expires in 21/22 and will qualify for huge increase over present 26/per and mitchell will get a max too. Already got Bogdanovic @18/per too playing the three. Maybe yes maybe no