OT Black Man In Minnesota Dies After Cop Kneels On His Neck/ Portland Riots

It's a tasteful blend of white supremacy and killology

 

Since you've been spending time covering for the cops in this case, I'm curious what you think they did wrong. Based on your reasoning, they followed the letter of the law and all their actions were justified. Why fire them then?

 

I’m not covering for anyone. I’m simply stating that the law, as best I understand it, does not support a conclusion that the police committed a crime in entering the apartment or in returning fire once they were shot at. That said, I think the way they went about executing the warrant was needlessly aggressive and should have been seen as likely to result in violence. Why break down the door and go crashing into an unknown situation? I didn’t see anything in any of the stories about the case that indicated that Ms. Taylor was suspected of anything other than perhaps receiving packages, presumably of drugs. Why not contact her by knocking louder or longer, or calling on the phone and telling her to come out with her hands up?

 

100%. And, the people who work as cops with a salary that WE provide, should have everything they do made public. They need to have checks and balances.

 

There needs to be transparency. If police officers lied to obtain the warrant, I would presume that the judge who signed it would push for an investigation. I’m not a lawyer and I have no idea how that would impact any ultimate culpability there might be in Breonna Taylor’s death. If a crime was committed by the police and there is proof enough to convict them, great. But the seeming willingness by so many to make sweeping assumptions about motives and to presume that the police are guilty any time a Black person dies at the hands of police, absent any real proof, is not the way to justice for Blacks. Justice can never be bought with injustice.

 

I took a look at the reports on the case again. The warrant was obtained based on an affidavit signed by Detective Joshua Jaynes. He was not one of the three officers who served the warrant. If there is a problem with the affidavit, Detective Jaynes is the one who would have to answer for that.

 

Did this not get posted?

 

Lets see the FACTS

 

Man I hope they get to the bottom of this case and do the right thing!

 

Chuck and Shaq were pretty unprofessional a couple nights ago. They’re lucky this is an emotional time or they probably should lose their jobs.

 

USA Today did a fact check on that and other rumors:

Claim: The officer who was shot was hit by friendly fire

The claim gained traction after national criminal justice reform activist Shaun King tweeted May 14 that, "It is now believed that the police officer who got shot in the leg in the shooting of Breonna Taylor was shot by 'friendly fire' from his own officers.

Mattingly was shot by Kenneth Walker, who fired from inside the apartment.

The bullet struck Mattingly's femoral artery after piercing his wallet, which he kept in his left, front pocket, Wine said. Even so, Mattingly nearly bled to death, he said.

"This was not something that they were trying to sweep under the rug," Wine said.

But on Sept. 1, Steve Romines, an attorney representing Walker in a civil suit against the city, said his review of the evidence indicates Mattingly was struck by friendly fire.

"We know police are firing wildly from various angles," Romines said. "The timeline and evidence at the scene is more indicative of (police) actually shooting Mattingly than it is Kenny Walker."

Ultimately, Cameron quashed Romines' theory, saying Mattingly was struck by a 9 mm round; officers on scene all carried .40 caliber handguns.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...na-taylor-fact-check-rumors-wrong/3515068001/

 

There's a difference. They gave their opinions on a sports commentary show. Jalen Rose shouted his opinion that the police were murderers during a national broadcast of a NBA game. There's an appropriate time and place for everything and that wasn't it, in my opinion. Broadcasters have been fired for much less. Notably, I haven't seen a single word was said about him getting fired.

 

they basically have the same show. I’ll agree to disagree on the rest

 

That's fair. I've never said that we should all have the same opinions around here. I was offended the other day when you referred to me as a boot-licker. We've been posting on the same message boards for a long time and, while we do have different backgrounds and different takes on things, I'd hope that you know that I usually try to be fair in listening to opposing points of view. I've already said on this issue that I hope that they're able to successfully prosecute the cop who fired blindly into the apartment. I've also said that I think that the methods that they used to enter the apartment were dumb and lead to the whole thing escalating to a shoot-out. All I've said is that, based on the sum total of the things I've seen reported, the cops were within legal bounds to enter the apartment and that once they were shot at, they had the legal right to return fire. It's horrible that Breonna Taylor died as a result, but horrible things happen every day. We settle wrongful death cases in this country by payment of damages, which is what happened here. It doesn't bring her back to life and it doesn't make up for her loss, but neither would prosecuting police officers who were just trying to do their jobs.

 

I apologize that I offended you. I was emotional over the outcome and lack of justice.

I still don’t think we have heard all the facts and it’s ridiculous there was no body cam footage

 

I'll get over it.

I'm sure that we haven't heard all of the facts. I don't know if we ever will. The cops involved were detectives, that may factor in as to whether they wear the body cams that typical patrol guys do. I think that we're at the point when body cams have to be a requirement for all police.

I get that people think that there could be a major cover-up here, but I guess it doesn't make sense to me that the facts are going to be different than what's been revealed so far. The boyfriend admits that he fired his gun. The only way this could play out any different is if the police went in with guns blazing and he was returning fire, but that's not what I've read. He said that he and Breonna heard people pounding on the door and asked who it was, but didn't hear an answer. When the police crashed through the door, he thought it was a break-in and fired his gun.

 

I mean, I’m sure they (the police) did not go into the situation looking to kill her, however when being fired upon and hit, they returned fire. She wasn’t the one who shot, it was unfortunate, but she was next to the shooter. Thus, the best thing to do is give her family money at that point because the cops weren’t gonna get charged with murder for doing their jobs AND being fired upon and hit. This was the ultimate case of wrong place, wrong time.

 

I read today that it wasn't the boyfriends bullet that hit the cop...it was friendly fire from his own team...hit his wallet in his front pocket and got an artery...it was his team that accidentally shot him. The bullet removed proved that according to the story

 

Dude that was fact checked literally 6 posts above mine... he was struck by a 9mm round the cops were carrying .40 caliber handguns...