Trade Ideas Thread

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  1. Propagandist

    Propagandist Well-Known Member

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    Indiana says no. Philly says no. Portland wishes this was possible. Not possible.
     
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    lawai'a Well-Known Member

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    from the paywall article, it is suggested that the teams may be real sellers of talent as their ownership has taken significant damage to their wealth sources during covid, and if the cap drops to $109 million, may consider divesting salary obligations to shore up near term losses elsewhere.

    https://theathletic.com/2076228/202...which-nba-franchises-are-hurting-financially/
    Pinched vs. prospering: Which NBA franchises are hurting financially?


    "Pacers: Owner Herb Simon boasts billions, but he’s in a small market and his Simon Property Group is heavily leveraged into malls. Yes, malls. This was a troublesome business to be in before the pandemic struck. Today’s Motley Fool update on the Simon Property Group begins with the statement, “There’s really no way to put a positive spin on 2020 for Simon Property Group (NYSE:SPG) or its shareholders.” Yikes."

    "Rockets: This one is obvious. Rockets owner Tilman Fertitta is invested heavily in restaurants, hotels, amusement parks, casinos and, really, any property you can name that might have been devastated by COVID-19. We’ve seen the public signs of financial issues. Fertitta lobbied President Donald Trump in person for a restaurant chain bailout and he got a private loan at very high interest rate. Basically, he looks like he’s desperately trying to hold on, just as this Rockets era could be unraveling. Bad times in Houston could be ahead"

    "Heat: Two words: Carnival Cruises. Still, I’ve heard some league insiders say that Heat owner and Carnival Corporation chairman Micky Arison has a bit less exposure to the losses than you might think. I also happen to believe that, when the pandemic ends, older people will return to cruise ships en masse. Their love of cruises is about as constant as Heat culture."

    "Kings: This is the little brother of the Warriors’ situation. The Kings have a new-ish arena, which means they have new costs. Vivek Ranadivé is not among the wealthier owners and Sacramento is a smaller market. The Kings have a lot to sort out financially. Hopefully, they can get better stewardship on that front than they’ve gotten in the recent past."

    "Knicks: To quote Knicks great Patrick Ewing, yes the Knicks make a lot of money, but they spend a lot of money, too. The Madison Square Garden Company is heavily invested in entertainment ventures that have been hard hit, such as basketball and hockey. Due to that, its stock price cratered in the spring and has yet to really recover. The Knicks have traditionally squandered their financial advantage over other teams. Perhaps even that edge is eroding."

    "Raptors: It’s a very similar situation to the Knicks, save for the on-court product. Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment presides over multiple sports franchises and the high costs associated with them. This pandemic represents a haircut on many fronts."

    "Warriors: This one is local. The Warriors spent lavishly to build an arena on the last piece of good land in San Francisco. That was all great when Chase Center could reliably bet on season-ticket revenue and lucrative concerts, but not so much during the big freeze. Meanwhile, the franchise has been stuck on a TV contract that was signed shortly after Joe Lacob and Peter Guber bought the team, locking them out of proceeds that could have been netted from their miraculous rise. Now the Warriors claim a very expensive roster, having committed roughly a combined $130 million to their four best-paid players next season (Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Andrew Wiggins and Draymond Green)."

    teams with ownership doing well and prospering during the financial crisis include
    Cavaliers:
    Nets
    Clippers
     
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  3. Rastapopoulos

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    I think Philly would jump on that.
     
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    Philly says no to a Harris-CJ swap? Philly would jump all over that.
     
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    yep, Harris is guaranteed only $16 million less than Dame.
     
  6. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    If C.J. was the #2 on Milwaukee, he wouldve been an all-star. Your point was solid until you bright up all-star appearances. Also, you're refusing to acknowledge how CJ can bail out the offense when it bogs down and stagnates, something he's better at than Middleton. We saw how Milwaulee struggled without a #2 that could get create his own shot consistently on all 3 levels.

    And this is coming from someone who'd love to trade CJ for Middleton.
     
  7. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    If Sacramento really wants to save money: Bjelica fits perfectly into our TPE!
     
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    Make it happen. If we do that without trading our first I would be so happy. Quick question can we use our TPE for multiple players?
     
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    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    You can use a $7M TPE on two $3.5M players, or a $3M player and two $2M players.
     
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    Okay good to know, thank you
     
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    CJ for
     
  12. PtldPlatypus

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    upload_2020-10-1_8-38-46.png

    I'm sure most of y'all would hate this as not being enough return for CJ, but I wouldn't be mad at a deal like this (maybe could also include a pick swap with NY?). If Randle is capable of returning to the perimeter shooting he showed last year in New Orleans, I think he could be an excellent 4 alongside Nurkic. An 8 man rotation of Dame/Trent/Ariza/Randle/Nurk with Payton/Collins and whatever wing we might be able to sign with the MLE would be pretty decent.
     
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    Cj for randle? Good God no. They'd be happy to move Randle for free.
     
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    I'd probably be happy to move CJ for free, but that's beside the point. IMO, this is more CJ for a starting PF, a solid backup PG who can defend (he's been a starter, but he really shouldn't be), and a move up to #8. 'Course, if they'd be that happy to part with Randle, then maybe we'd need the 8 without giving up our 16 to make the compensation reasonable.

    All I know is that it balances the lineup, strengthens the bench, and provides a ton of financial flexibility after next year.
     
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    I've been thinking we ought to do something similar to this.
    Here is my ideal trade:
    upload_2020-10-1_9-53-49.png
    Knicks do this to get the 'face of the franchise' player. CJ would likely get an all-star selection being in NYC (whether deserved or not)...
    Bulls do this to 'go young' and to cut salary. If Knox can figure it out, he'd be a good piece with their core. If not, I doubt the Bulls would keep Porter long term anyways.
    Portland does this to shore up both Forward positions & have flexibility for the future.


    Then in the draft, get Halliburton (#8) & Jalen Smith (#16)

    In FA, we get Cousins (BAE - 2 @ $3.5M), and resign Gabriel (2 @ Minimum), and find the best wing MLE player available
    We just cut Mario...

    Roll with the roster of:

    PG: Dame, Halliburton, Simons
    SG: Hood, Trent, (Simons)
    SF: Porter, MLE Wing, Little
    PF: Randle, Collins, Gabriel, Smith
    C: Nurk, Cousins, (Collins)
     

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    Hmm. I actually don't hate this idea at all. Not sure if the Boogie piece is likely, but there will be plenty of other guys that could be obtained for a vet's min contract. Nice job!
     
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    So the difference between mine and yours is that instead of getting Payton to back up Dame, we also give up Ariza and get Porter? I don't see the benefit.
     
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    upload_2020-10-1_9-58-22.png
    upload_2020-10-1_9-54-23.png porter
    upload_2020-10-1_9-55-37.png ariza

    most glaring difference to me is the 3pt% and EFg%
    edit and age
    editX2 probably should have just tried to trade for porter straight across young whiteside @ deadline. acquisition costs would have been less
     
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    When you look at the advanced stats, Porter exceeds Ariza in most of the important ones.
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    The problem with Porter is that his salary is huge, and he's missed a ton of games due to a string of injuries the past couple years. Ariza may be older, but at least he's reliable.

    I don't think anyone doubts Porter is a better player when healthy, but would he be better enough--and play often enough--to be worth $27M to this squad?
     
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