Exclusive Official 2020 Draft Thread

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  1. Hoopguru

    Hoopguru Well-Known Member

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    Bey is 6’8” where Trent imo is a legit 2 guard.
    Ariza is certainly a SF but Carmelo isn't quick enough to play lots of 3.
    Back up pg you can get via FA market.
    I wouldn't be opposed a 4/5.
     
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    42N8Bounce Red Hot And Rebuilding

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    Historically players with similar playing styles in college didn't have great NBA success.

    Tyrese Haliburton
    6'5" (Iowa State - so - per40) 16.6 ppg, 7.0 apg (2.32 a/t), 2.7 spg, 6.4 rpg, 41.9% 3fg

    Nick Calathes
    6'6" (Florida - so - per40) 20.6 ppg, 7.7 apg (1.93 a/t), 2.3 spg, 6.4 rpg, 39.0% 3fg

    Manny Harris

    6'5" (Michigan - so - per40) 20.5 ppg, 5.3 apg (1.40 a/t), 1.5 spg, 8.2 rpg, 32.7% 3fg

    Blake Stepp
    6'4" (Gonzaga - so - per40) 13.8 ppg, 5.8 apg (1.81 a/t), 1.4 spg, 5.7 rpg, 35.6% 3fg

    Greivis Vasquez
    6'6" (Maryland - so - per40) 18.3 ppg, 7.3 apg (1.55 a/t), 1.5 spg, 5.7 rpg, 30.9% 3fg

    Michael Carter-Williams
    6'6" (Syracuse - so - per40) 13.5 ppg, 8.3 apg (2.13 a/t), 3.1 spg, 5.6 rpg, 29.4% 3fg

    Tyrese has a better 3 point shot than these guys, and has a better a/t ratio, so my guess is he'll end up at the higher end of this success spectrum. But it does raise a flag (risk). Finding an exact match is always a challenge. No two players are exactly alike.
     
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    wheres herro?
     
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    I'm not going to spend the night debating opinions. There are 96 minutes per game to be divided between the 3 and 4. We know Zach will play a lot at the 4, so Melo is going to see significant time at the 3. We know Trent will be on the floor some with Dame and CJ, so he'll in effect be the 3 in that lineup. If Ariza's here, he's playing a lot.

    And we haven't even talked about Hood, who is the starting 3 over any of them if he's healthy.

    Is Bey taking minutes from Trent because Trent is 3 inches shorter, or is Trent playing those minutes because he's better and more proven and more teams are going small so the size isn't as big an issue?

    My suspicion is the latter.

    Bey's probably best as a stretch 4. If you want to make the argument that he's good enough to be a rotation player backing up Collins next season, I think that has some validity. Of course, it means more Melo at the 3, or Melo and Bey basically being interchangeable as your 3 and 4.

    If you can get a quality back-up PG as a free agent, you could get a quality back-up swing forward, too. Harkless, Gallinari, Jerami Grant, Bertans, Josh Jackson, Derrick Jones Jr., Furkan Korkmaz all are UFAs and only Gallinari and Mo make more than $10 mil a year right now. Do you think any of them would be a better acquisition than drafting Bey? I'd love to swing a trade for Kelly Oubre, but I don't think the Suns could be fleeced.

    I hate repeating myself, but I'll say it one more time and then I am done with it: I'm not saying Bey's a bad player. He's a good player. But his value is that he's plug and play, and unless the Blazers make a lot of moves he plays a position where he's not an upgrade over the numerous players already there. If Bey's not going to play 10 minutes per game, at least, why would you draft him over Patrick Williams who has all-star or close to all-star potential, when Bey is probably a notch above Dante Cunningham over the course of his career?

    Meanwhile, we still have very clear openings for a back-up PG and a back-up big. I don't see anyone in this draft who looks to be available at 16 with the possible exception of Jones from Duke who might be able to contribute quickly at either of those spots, and picking Jones at 16 would be the kind of overdraft Nolan Smith was.

    I think if you are drafting, you are going big potential or you are going home. If you are looking to enhance this rotation for next season, it's going to be through a trade.
     
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    Herro was at #19 on my chart. He really had a nondescript kind of year in college. Good, but nothing spectacular. In college as a freshman he averaged 14 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.5 apg, 35.5% 3fg. He had a mix of good NBA comps (Jamal Crawford) and some bad (Matt Carroll). His first year in the NBA Herro goes for 13.5 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 2.2 apg, 38.9% 3fg. One of those guys that elevated his game at the NBA level. Let's see if he can continue to improve his game over the next few seasons.
     
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    We need a lucky break this draft. A star nobody saw coming like Adebayo or Mitchell. Even a player half that good would be a huge boost.
    Unfortunately, we are the Blazers and we never have any single luck
     
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    If we are healthy next year I just don't see a rookie getting rotation minutes.
     
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    Agreed. It actually make sense to get a rookie who may not necessarily come in 100% polish but who still have a high upside. For that reason Precious Achiuwa is rising on my board. Defensively he’s a beast. He can protect the rim while also guarding 1-5 quite well. He’s a lot like Bam Adebayo on that end of the floor. Offensively is where he need to work on. His shooting form is inconsistent, he did have some shots that were beautiful. He need more repetition with consistent shooting form. He make up for it with his constant attack at the rim whether though put back, pick and roll, or attack from the high post. He flashes some passing skills so that’s also something he can build on. With that being said when I think about how much the rookies will actually play, like even Little play very little on a injury riddled blazers team last year. I would love to take a chance on Precious. He got all nba defensive potential while having an offense that could be similar to Jerami Grant if he add the shooting. If we do actually end up playing Precious during his rookie season his defense and energy will be a huge boost to this team
     
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    The Blazers have done that the last three years. drafted on potential, and this year none of those three really contributed anything. Give me a player who is ready to play and can contribute rather than someone who when there contract is up we still have no idea if they will ever reach said potential.
     
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    Okay name a rookie that will contribute immediately then. None of the guards will, being stuck behind Dame, CJ, and Trent. Name a forward that will outplay Ariza, Trent, Hood if he return to form, and even the improvement of Little. At center we are essentially locked in with Nurkic and Collins. And we still can sign a vet min C too. Our only need is a big combo forward. Patrick Williams could be that guy but he’s more of a project. Bey is a maybe if he can prove to handle the big athletic forwards. I can’t think of anyone else. And don’t forget we still have a MLE to sign those type of players. My dream would be of course to trade Ariza and our picks for a starting caliber forward. But that seem more unlikely than likely to me. And trading CJ is always on the table
     
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    I realize that he was drafted in the early second round but there is that Gary Trent Jr. guy that puts some holes in your argument. He contributed a lot this year. We definitely didn't draft him because he was a graduating senior that was a finished product.
     
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    Trading CJ is always on the table for us, the fans who watch the game and see that Dame and CJ just don't fit together on the court. I don't know if trading CJ is ever on the table for Olshey since the last time I heard him talk about CJ being traded he said something to the effect of, there are very few if any guys in this league that are untouchable but I view Dame and CJ as two of those rare guys... or some shit like that. The idea of getting CJ to a better fit for his skill set and getting us a better fit for our team in return is a fabulous one, just not one that the guy in charge seems to be interested in.
     
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    I like GTJ, but lets be honest. He played 5 or so good offensive games in the bubble then was taken out of the offense the last few games before the playoffs and the Playoffs. Does he play tough defense yeah, but lets slow down on the expectations for him. Even with Trent, you have Zach, Ant and Nas all drafted on potential and none to this point have lived up to the potential. Do we really want to waste another year of Dames prime hoping on a 4th potential, or lets get someone who can contribute.
     
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    Yea he on my list at 16 and there Bey also there and Terry is moving on some boards especially when he was measure at 6'3".
     
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    Nesmith or bust.
     
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    The more I hear the various players in this draft discusses, the more I want to trade the pick!
     
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    I don’t blame you. It just a matter of finding the right team to do it with
     
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    Nesmith @ 16

    or

    Trading up for Onyeka Okongwu

    My ideal draft day
     
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    Trade up for Vassell / Okoro is still my #1.

    I'd be cool with Maxey. I don't love his upside but really like his ability to guard both guard spots and provide good team defense. Another guy that I think could help in the immediate if Ant isn't ready. Better compliment to Dame/CJ while also being a nice long-term fit alongside Ant. I think he's better scoring off advantages created by better offensive players. Lacks a bit of feel, but makes quick decisions and has an attack mindset. Can put pressure on the rim and finish.

    A swing on Poku would be interesting. Still not sure what he is in the NBA, but he's uniquely skilled and instinctual for his size.

    Also like the idea of trading down with Philly. Good value in the early 2nd and this draft is pretty flat in our range in the first. Could help secure a guy like Tillie in the 2nd.
     
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