Grade the Blazers' roster changes

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by Rastapopoulos, Nov 21, 2020.

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Grade for changes in draft and free agency?

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  2. A

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  3. A-

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  4. B+

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  5. B

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  6. B-

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  7. C+

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  8. C

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  10. lower

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  1. Big Dog

    Big Dog Active Member

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    How do we even know what the mindset is?
    As far as i know nobody in this forum is at practice or in team meetings.
     
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    Tince Well-Known Member

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    Great and sobering tweet. This is why I don't think I'm out-of-line when I say I don't expect us to get to the WCF. We haven't put the top end talent around Dame that is often required to win and at Dame's height, he's not going to be able to do it on his own.
     
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    Tince Well-Known Member

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    Excellent point. I get the feeling some people think that if fans don't think their team will win the NBA championship that the players on the team will adopt that same mindset. There is zero evidence that fans being overly optimistic or pessimistic have any impact on outcomes, yet some people seem to get so upset for what a 3rd party thinks.
     
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    With a leader like Lillard, no way this team has a poor mindset.
     
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  5. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Neil and Stotts suck.
     
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    One of those two is responsible for acquiring coaches and players.

    How many times has Olshey brought in a player that was in those categories the previous season and/or how many players have left Stotts only to jump into one of those categories the next season?

    Doesn't seem like the different coaching is making these players jump in or out of these catgories.
     
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  7. SharpesTriumph

    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

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    I dont understand your draft pick argument. The Blazers can trade picks for 7 years, so even though the 2021 pick is gone they could trade 3 of the following six years picks and swap options on the other 3 years so effectively 6 picks. Trade partners prefer picks in the future when the current talent (Dame) etc is gone increasing the chance of a higher draft pick.
     
  8. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    No we can't. That 2021 pick is projected through several years.
     
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  9. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    When did I ever say what the players or coaches specific mindset is? I didn't.
     
  10. wizenheimer

    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

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    like Bones said, you're wrong about Portland's draft pick situation

    the 2021 is lottery protected and if 2021 is not conveyed the same protection rolls over till the next draft. IIRC, this obligation lasts till 2027, which I believe (might be wrong) is the limit of future pick trades

    so, in terms of assets Portland has at their disposal this season, they have no 1sts to offer because of the Septien rule

    chances are the Blazers make the playoffs this season; so they'd send the 2021 first to Houston. Then, they'd have future 1sts to bargain with. But not till then
     
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    tester551 Well-Known Member

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    Not necessarily true.
    Portland can relax the protections on the '21 pick to make sure it conveys. If they do that - then they'd have future picks at their disposal to trade
     
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  12. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    If Portland wanted to trade, say, a 2023 first, they'd have to go to Houston and change the protections on their pick. If Houston isn't contending, and Portland knows they'll make the playoffs at the deadline, I could see them tossing some cash and the rights to some foreign dude to Houston to get them to remove the protections from our 2021 first so that we can trade our 2023 1st.
     
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    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    No, Portland has to get Houston to agree to relax the protections, and if Houston is in the hunt, they may not elect to do so because they wouldn't want to help out a western conference rival.

    However, you're making a different argument than the original post on the subject, and we currently cannot trade a single future 1st.
     
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    Like I've said a bunch of times I don't think picks really matter because Olshey wants to see what this core (and probably what this whole roster) can do for a full season, so I doubt that he will be active out there pursuing trades. That doesn't mean we won't see a "consolidation" trade or any other trades that another team offers that Olshey likes or makes a counter on but I just think if this team stays around .600 that Olshey won't be shopping anyone. So I think we will convey that pick to Houston on draft day and be able to make trades using first rounders starting with the 2023 and on, if this team doesn't perform up to Olshey's expectations or if Olshey is relieved of his position due to the team's performance after this season is over.
     
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    sure....but the post I responded to talked about a consolidation trade...this season...for a star. And in order to relax protections, Houston would have to agree
     
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    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

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    Yes you can, you can trade 2023 and forward picks conditionally on the 2021 pick conveying.

    If we trade for a star it's pretty obvious 2021 will be conveyed.
     
  17. e_blazer

    e_blazer Rip City Fan

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    Sorry I’m slow to the party. Real life intrudes from time to time. You made good points about the inability of the Blazers to add a first round pick this season and their unwillingness to go into the LT. That does limit trade possibilities, but it certainly doesn’t eliminate them. The Blazers have assets other teams would like, and at attractive prices. A rebuilding team may not need as much incentivization in the form of first round picks when they actually want some of our guys for their rebuild. No, you’re not going to get a top young star, but a fading one with a short time on his contract might well be available on those terms. The most obvious example would be Aldridge. I’m not advocating for that deal, just using him as an example.
     
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    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

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    Incorrect, picks can be worded to trade conditionally. So the Blazers two years after the HOU trade conveys which obviously it would in 2021 then pick gets traded to next team. The Blazers can make such trade immediately.

    The wording on the protection gets convoluted but the trade can still take place fine. It happens all the time.
     
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    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

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    False, it can be worded to trade two years after pick goes to Houston. Trade can happen immediately. No approval from Houston is necessary. Teams do this all the time.
     
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    Fair enough, but with the obvious caveat - we can't say how someone like Leonard would have turned out with different coaching at the begining of his career.
     

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