Game Thread GAME# 14: SPURS @ BLAZERS - JANUARY 18, 2021 - MONDAY, 12:00, NBCSNW

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by Darkwebs, Jan 16, 2021.

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If Aldridge never left the Blazers, would Portland have a championship by now?

Poll closed Jan 21, 2021.
  1. Yes!

    3.8%
  2. Almost definitely.

    0 vote(s)
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  3. Very likely.

    1.9%
  4. Probably.

    9.4%
  5. Probably not.

    34.0%
  6. Very unlikely.

    30.2%
  7. Heck no, LMA wouldn't have been enough to put us over the top to win one.

    20.8%
  1. KingSpeed

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    We were making some pretty good plays on both sides of the court and Hood was great. We started the 4th qtr strong with 3 straight 3s and then collapsed and the Spurs couldn’t miss from 3. It got out of hand. Dame and GTJ didn’t shoot as well as usual. DJJ had the block of the year. Def missed CJ’s scoring. Spurs might be good this year.
     
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    The 2019 season is listed there as well. Is the whole last season a small sample size too?

    I'm looking at the teams who had the most success in the post season of 2019. That's not subjective since most of my complaints have been made regarding Stotts in the post-season.

    Nonsense per usual, sir. 2019 as well as the early part of this season. You're translating the data incorrectly. Nothing I can do for you but provide the evidence. It's your choice to skew it. What I said was correct. More than half of the top 10 teams in assists are contenders.

    Or, that's the conclusion of anyone who is reading the data correctly rather than posting a quote off a website from 2014.

    I already proved that most of the teams in the top 10 in assists are contenders. Look it up and read slowly this time.
     
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    It takes discipline and drilling to have consistency. Our coach shows no interest in that. It's "whatever you're feeling at the moment" and go.
     
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    The offense was hurting but then Hood chipped in with more points in one game than he had the whole rest of the season combined. He wouldn't have had that if CJ was playing so that made up for a lot of it.

    But on defense, my goodness they were bad. The Spurs 38 points in the 4th was their highest scoring quarter of the entire year so far. They shot 46% from '3' and their lowest scoring quarter was only 1 point less than our highest scoring quarter.

    These 15-20 point deficits so often (and now something like 5 games in a row) are unacceptable.
     
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    I would be interested to see a tally of the open looks from 3 that both teams got. It seemed like the Blazers were open as much as the Spurs, but they just couldn’t hit their shots. Trent was 1 for 9 and it seemed like most of them were open looks.
     
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  6. Tince

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    No offense, but you don't seem to understand how correlation works.

    You are picking a random sample of teams (should include all the teams), then saying because more than 50% (random number again) are/were contenders (subjective), that you can come to a reasonable conclusion. That's not how correlation works.

    If you are mixing last years assists numbers with this years, but not assigning win/losses to them, that would totally invalidate the data.

    You should get at least 2000 games in your sample. So if you want to cherry pick on the the top 10, you should look at a total of 3 seasons.

    Looking forward to you providing a complete data set that even has a correlation of over 0.5.
     
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    I don't know when they update the data, but I'm guessing fairly soon you could use this link and filter out the team, data range (include today only), and then compare Portland and San Antonio.

    https://www.nba.com/stats/players/s...0612757&DateFrom=01/17/2021&DateTo=01/18/2021

    On the season, here's how closely defended our 3 attempts are:

    Wide Open - 33.4%
    Open - 43.4%
    Tight - 21.5%
    Very Tight - 1.7%
     
  8. AmirIcon

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    I'm only using your logic. No amount of evidence will tell you otherwise. We've seen the amount of bootlicking you've done for Stotts no matter the personnel changes. Despite almost every major mainstream publication having the Blazers winning the off-season, you would have us believe that Stotts can't possibly do any better because the additions aren't good?

    You're again evading the fact that most of the league's contenders are in the top 10 for assists. You bring up this talking point to protect Stotts.

    Give it up already.
     
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    Who are the "leagues contenders"? How do you define that?
    Are you talking about this year or multiple years?

    Correlation data is not bootlicking, it's fairly simple. You just don't want to provide a 2000 game sample with full data. I've done it for you. I've done it using data from this season (no correlation). Old data says no correlation, this year says no correlation.

    You asked me to provide real data, and I did. You provided a story. I haven't even brought up Stotts in this debate, this is about numbers not people.
     
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    Here's the 2019-2020 data: Correlation 0.12 (VERY WEAK).

    6 out of the top 10 had a winning record. 1 out of the top 4 had a winning record. That is not a strong correlation either.

    The team with the lowest assist average had more wins than the team with the most assists.

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    Seems right to me. I would think the teams with the superstars would ride them more so less ball movement.

    If the Blazers had that I could understand but they don't. Those are luxuries of a team with superstars.

    Just my thinking if I'm understanding correctly.
     
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    I see where you're coming from, that would be interesting to look at. So your guess is that teams without All-NBA players would have more assists than teams with 1 or 2 all-nba players? That would be easy to determine, but I want to make sure I'm understanding your point.

    Originally, I thought you were saying that more assists = more wins, which I think we can both agree has been proven untrue.
     
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    Can we please rebuild just do Dame and cj a favor and trade them for a bunch of picks
     
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    We definitely agree that more assists don't equal more wins. My thought is that the more successful teams tend to get more assists. What I mean successful is playoff success. Especially how playoff defense is vs regular season. The Lakers, Heat and Nuggets are in the top 10 for just this season.
     
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    I'm glad we agree that Pops made Kawhi much of the player he is today.

    Since I'm not Kawhi Leonard nor RC Buford, I couldn't possibly explain to you why they chose to trade him. I don't know that "he couldn't wait to get out of there". Did they trade him because he told them he wanted play back in LA? Did he want a bigger market? Did he think Pops was a harda** who forced Kawhi to work under a team-first system? Who knows what triggered the trade to Toronto?
     
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    He lost trust in their front office/team doctors. The front office/team doctors kept insisting that he was healthy enough to play while his own personal doctors said otherwise. Buford and some Spurs (I believe Tony Parker) aired this out through the media, which angered Kawhi.
     
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    I think he good coach because he get everything out of his players. Plus he make everybody accountable of there play. Stotts don't if does it's behind closed doors but doubt that too. Because your not winning championship anymore don't mean your bad coach it's just don't have the talent like the old days. But if you get your team playing together on both ends you eventually going the right direction.
     
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    I agree with you that Pop is not a bad coach.

    I don't dare try to judge accountability as I'm not privy to any discussions Pop or Stotts has with his players. I've personally had coaches who I would have said held me accountable, some by yelling during games, others by speaking softly behind closed doors.

    Execution and accountability are very different. Pop has had teams that have not executed well, but I wouldn't say that it's proof he doesn't hold his players accountable.

    Personally, I think the "accountabilty" knock on coaches is right there with the "effort" knock on players. Its what us fan like to use as a reason to why a player is or is not playing well, when we can't put our finger on the real reason.

    Not to get too off topic, but it's amazing how often a slow player gets labeled as lacking effort or a fast player is pegged as a hustle guy, when really, it's just their athleticism. Michael Lewis wrote a book "The Undoing Project" where there was a chapter mentioned how GMs falsely labeled Marc Gasol for things like that. Interesting read for anyone who likes that stuff.
     
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    You probbaly tight, Terry, but I don't want to read it again and again.
     
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    It would be a quiet board if only original thoughts were allowed. Surely you've never repeated your critisms on here, have you?
     

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