Fire Stotts Eventually

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by BonesJones, Dec 20, 2016.

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How good do you think Terry Stotts is a s a coach?

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  4. Needs to go!

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  5. He's the very best!

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  6. Lets hope he continues to improve.

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  1. Tince

    Tince Well-Known Member

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    If people think they deserve a lifetime pass or not, doesn't bother me any. I've never said Stotts gets a lifetime pass, so personally I don't subscribe to that thinking, but to each their own.

    Let's focus on building a roster of championship players!

    #IndifferentStottsCrowd
     
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    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    I don't think the question is whether he was to blame or not. The point is that McMillan was in a very different situation--considering he had lost the locker room (his fault or not), there was no downside to firing the coach midseason. There was no chemistry to risk. Firing a coach midseason has some downside risk when the coach is liked and respected by the players, it could cause disruption that affects the product on the court even if the next coach is a better coach.

    I'm not saying it's impossible to fire Stotts now, just that McMillan isn't a great comparison point.
     
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    Soon (please)
     
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    Tince Well-Known Member

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    You want us to make calculated moves with a higher (than not) likelihood of improving? That sounds like the most reasonable and not emotional take possible! I co-sign!
     
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    When it stops being a reality.
     
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    kjironman1 Well-Known Member

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    I get this. I really do get the idea. You want things to be looked at and set. You want "Someone" to make a solid decision that will keep the team on a solid foundation while looking for a better

    The problem is you are saying "Olshey and Stotts". Who does that leave running the show? Chris McGowan? Are you thinking Jody Allen is going to make these decisions? So you want Vulcan Inc to make these searches while Olshey and Stotts are still here?

    Can you say complete Chaos? Seriously. What you want is new ownership. You want a Mark Cuban type owner to come in and make solid decisions and changes. Anything less than that is a recipe for a total disaster. A disaster bigger than the Pritchard Saga. If that happens plan on losing Lillard because he isn't going to sit around and deal with a bunch of back stabbing bullshit that cuts not only Olshey's throat but Stotts as well. This franchise has barely lived down the jail Blazers as it is.

    My take on this entire issue is nothing will be changed until the franchise is sold.
     
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    Strenuus Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Actually, I think to accurately reflect what we need to do to make this organization better is to call it:

    "Fire Stolshey"
     
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  8. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    The team is not overachieving by beating sub-.500 teams
     
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    I cheered for Nate but Nate didn't play his bench players or rookies at all and he did overplay his main rotation guys...and play them hobbled....yeah..I think Nate learned a big lesson after Portland about load management. Has nothing to do with the way Stotts uses his bench...Stotts plays young guys and gives them a lot of rope to develop confidence. Just bad luck recent seasons with Terry's roster...not to say Nate's wasn't bad luck either.....if Dame was sidelined there'd be a comparison because he's the guy Terry plays huge minutes..Nate also had lost his lockerroom and had players that didn't like each other much....it's why we lost Andre Miller for Raymond Felton really...Miller questioned Nateball....
     
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    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    Short turnaround after the conference finals? Denver and Miami have struggled as well.
     
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    The current Blazers' roster is a .500 team at best. They have wins against the Lakers, Warriors, Sixers (x2) and Mavericks, all of which are at .500 and above, You have to beat the sub-.500 teams in order to have the 5th seed in the West. Doing that with only one true center and without the team's second best scoring option is overachieving in my book. You're welcome to your own assessment.
     
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    I agree that the current team with the injuries to CJ and Nurkic is definitely overachieving. You can't lose your 2nd and 3rd best players and expect to win many games. I don't expect any coach to be able to overcome injuries to your 2nd and 3rd best players. This team currently has a negative net rating, mostly due to the pathetic defense. So the longer CJ and Nurk are out, they'll eventually regress. We already are starting to see it with the current 3 game losing streak. I think the 6 game winning streak was definitely a statistical outlier.
     
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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    They don't need to be fired at the same time. Ideally, Olshey would be fired first and a new GM would be involved in the process of finding a new coach to replace Stotts. Again ideally, the franchise would already have some kind of candidate list in mind for whom they believe to better coaches, but the new GM should certainly have input.

    That said, franchises have found success in cleaning out both roles at the same time. The 49ers let their GM (Trent Baalke) and head coach (Chip Kelly) go in the same off-season and hired a new GM (John Lynch) and head coach (Kyle Shanahan) in tandem, and it wasn't complete chaos--it's worked out fairly well. But that's probably unusual and not necessarily the easiest way to do it.

    But yes, at some level, the owner (and his or her executive group) need to be responsible for the overall direction of the franchise and be capable of leading these types of searches and deciding when to cut bait with their existing hierarchy. Whether Jody Allen and her people are capable of it, I have no idea. If she's not, hopefully she'll sell fairly soon to someone who is capable of getting these sorts of moves right.
     
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    and....? what if I don't name somebody...do they get to keep their jobs?
     
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    You are making the same mistake here. Who is them, they, the franchise? Are you Thinking Jody Allen is going to do this? Chris Mcgowan? Who? The illusive VULCANS?

    No the Niners fell totally apart and it didn't go well for the Cowboys, Knicks, Nuggets, Sonics, Lakers, Suns... And the list goes on and on.

    No team is going to get sold during a Pandemic. It ain't gonna happen. Try to understand here. This will not happen this year.

    Stotts will not be fired this year. Olshey will not be fired this year. The team will not be sold this year.

    This thread has 84 pages and will most likely have 100+ more before these kinds of moves will happen.
     
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    Yeah, I don't want to finish out the season with these two at the helm but that's just me being impatient. The season will play out and then (unless this team and coach do something amazing that proves that they belong and therefore so does Olshey) it's time to fire Olshey. The Vulcans can fire Stotts at the same time if they want but the new GM is going to do that for them if they don't.

    Lynch was hired a week before Shanahan. So they gave Lynch the opportunity to sign off on who they already wanted. That's the way, I'd like to see it done. I doubt it hurt that Lynch played for Shanahan's dad for the last four seasons of his playing career.

    Unless we hire a bumbling moron as the next head coach he will do better than Stotts... or the exact same. Stotts is a players coach but he is also a hands off players coach who let's the players dictate a lot of what's going on. You can have a players coach that has control of the team. It's not a Stotts or Thibs binary choice. In fact every coach in the league falls somewhere in between those two. So if we hire an amiable guy who wants to have the final say in the direction of games and schemes then we will have a Stotts like attitude with some direction and push.

    I like the idea of Brian Shaw as the head coach because he's one guy that hasn't been part of this system of mediocrity, that Dame will feel comfortable with. He seems like a players coach but is from the Phil Jackson coaching tree so you know he will be running things.
     
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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    Please actually read my post before replying, I've already answered this:

    But yes, at some level, the owner (and his or her executive group) need to be responsible for the overall direction of the franchise and be capable of leading these types of searches and deciding when to cut bait with their existing hierarchy. Whether Jody Allen and her people are capable of it, I have no idea. If she's not, hopefully she'll sell fairly soon to someone who is capable of getting these sorts of moves right.

    Ultimately, these things come down to the owner and his/her executive advisors.

    Nope, I'm afraid they didn't. They had an extremely orderly off-season and draft and began building a Super Bowl contending team despite Shanahan and Lynch inheriting a terrible roster.

    Please try to understand: I didn't say it had to be this year.
     
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    yep they do...so give some realistic names that would be targets and could turn us into perennial contender's?
     
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    What Jody needs to hire someone that's in the basketball business to over see this team that has authority to fire the GM or the coach. Because right now I don't see that person in this organization. So a long we continue to make the playoffs then I believe there jobs is going be save. Now I wasn't paying attention that Olshey has give majority is first rounders away. Will this be another mistakes by Olshey like when he over paid players I believe 2016. Now Stotts if he winning with short handed roster I believe his job going to be safe because what they will do make the excuses of all the injuries. Now my opinion I think both needs to be let go at the end of the season and the reason needs some new eyes on this team because right now I just don't see us winning a championship the way we operate now.
     
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    The good news is that CJ and Nurk are reported to be healing up. We will have them back with plenty of time to right the ship and be ready for what should either be a serious playoff run or the end of the Olshey/Stotts era. I just don't think, injuries or not, that you can roll with a head coach and GM for an entire decade without a finals appearance, in this league. Maybe Jody and the Vulcans will sadly prove me wrong but I don't think so.

    Forget Zach Collins. If this team, is the best that Olshey could put together in his time here, minus one major role player, and can't put together a serious playoff run... if they can't beat or take to a game seven the Lakers, Clippers or Jazz... why in the fuck should Neil get yet another chance. If there are more injuries, I will be furious because then Neil and Terry might be able to sensibly weasel their way out of getting fired again. If no one else goes down and CJ and Nurk come back... we either get to the conference finals and win some games or off with their heads.
     
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