Politics The Joe Biden Thread

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  1. BigGameDamian

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    This was always going to happen. Biden isn't progressive. Honestly, I don't think Harris is either.

    Still, such an improvement!
     
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    I was impressed to read that Doug Harris was as first gentleman in office going to start a pro bono lawyer organization to help those without ways and means across the nation...good to see him using the title to do good for those who are in need of help.
     
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    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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    So......if Karen Pence was “Mother”, does Kamala call Douglas “Father”........or “Daddy”???? Gawd, that’d be creepier than even Pence’s approach........
     
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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    He's not a progressive by the current definition of progressive--but the platform he campaigned on (and I think he believes in it sincerely) is the most progressive platform the Democrats have ever had. A bigger problem than how progressive Biden and Harris are (or aren't) is that they can't do the most impactful things themselves--they need Congress, which means they need the Senate--which means they need Joe Manchin. And Manchin is a "conservative Democrat." He's not a Republican, but he's as much the opposite of a progressive as is possible within the Democratic party. The only things that can currently pass the Senate are things that aren't too progressive for Manchin. As an example, Biden wants a $15 federal minimum wage, but Manchin doesn't. Without Manchin signing off, it really can't pass the Senate and thus get to Biden for a signature.
     
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    I don't think Biden believes in or cares about what he campaigned on.

    If Biden really wanted a $15 minimum wage he'd force Manchin to vote against it.

    But he doesn't. So Manchin will not have to cast that vote.
     
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    nah...she calls him...Who's your Daddy Now!
     
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    Don't think Biden knows where he is or what year it is.
     
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    Yeah, but at least he’s aware enough to know who won the election. The former guy is too stupid to figure it out.....
     
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    Nobody in DC knows more about where he is than Joe Biden....he's spent his whole life there...as to what year it is....I caught myself writing 2020 on a check last week..had to write a second one.......yeah, I still write checks. Are you saying I shouldn't run in 2024?
     
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    If you have

    1. Influenced an insurrection
    2. Belittled a pandemic that killed more Americans than the WW2, Vietnam and Korea wars combined
    3. Admitted that you want to date your daughter
    4. Pardoned people who lied to the FBI, Stole tech secrets from American companies, committed racketeering and extortion, performed medically unnecessary tests and procedures, lied under oath to a congressional committee and threatened a witness
    5. Employed Rudi Giulianni in your service

    You too can run in 2024.
     
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    Manchin has to be that way or he'd lose the general election.
     
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    Been reading Ulysses S Grants bio about 4' thick. I knew/heard/read a bunch about him over the years but man what a story.
    Married to a staunch slave owning democratic wife/and her fam and his fold were staunch Methodist abolitionist. Grant was a dem that opposed slavery in a way that he didn't want disrupt the southern sales States to war.
    He was station at fort columbia now fort vancouver for a spell and was reclusive and a drunkard as a captain. Didn't like the depressing weather here.
    When he fought in the Mexican war where he learned his military gift he learned to love Mexico and wanted to leave the service have his wife move move there.
    So much more about the dude....
     
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    Interesting....and thought-provoking.
     
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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    They don't have the votes to do that...Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema are against it, unfortunately. In addition to every Republican, obviously.
     
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    Then they'll ruin Democratic support for the entire package. Gotta take that out if you want the relief package. Will have to fight for a new and reasonable minimum wage at a later date.
     
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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    That's a nice speech but largely irrelevant. The bill has to pass the Senate and they don't have the votes for it there. You're making the same mistake that Trump supporters did--thinking the President is a king or dictator and anything the President wants, the President can do. That's not how our political system is set up.

    National popular support isn't enough, because this isn't a direct democracy--it's a representative democracy, so you have to have enough representatives on board. Without Manchin and Sinema, popular sentiment isn't enough.

    Nationally, yes. Manchin (and Sinema) apparently feel that it'll hurt their re-election bids in their specific states, and that's all they care about.
     
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