Rumor What's going on in Portland?

sure ill continue but you must first address my first statement. Why arent they not camped out in Salem on the capital steps vandalizing it until change happens?

To go after small business owners makes no sense to me and i see no way it will ever provide improvement.

 

Because the government defends its own buildings more than those of small business. Duh. If you want to vandalize, you pick your targets for success. This is obvious.

Okay, now you can answer my question. You put no condition on your challenge to me, when you said, you want me(you) to continue? When I took you up on it, you made a condition.

 

so when it gets tough bug out and go after innocents because its easier?

sorry not buying that. I believe that if the protestors did what they do every night but dod it on the capital steps it would have far more reaching positive energy and movement.


Now which question? How do we stop police killings?
Or when would i support vandalism against a government?

we will never stop police killings 100% just like we cant stop corrupt politicians 100%.
But i would definitely start with police training and recruitment reform. I would stop giving preference to military soldiers not fit for civil policing. i would have more officers required to police their own neighborhoods. Not only to get more familiar with their own community but to hopefully gain trust of the community that its one of their own who is policing the area.
many more things can and should be done, but that would be a start.
The second question, i would ask you to clarify. When would i support anti government methods to change things? Thats very vague and a totally loaded question.
Which anti government methods? change which things?
Its all relevant and situational.

 

absolutely. Another quality reform innitiative.

 

The police don't have body cameras in Portland. They have refused them. Coincidence? There are not 100 acts of violence or property damage at all times. If a cop can see it well enough to warrant arresting somebody the odds are pretty good it would be on a body cam as well.

Do we want the problem solved or not?

 

That's what the BLM protests were about... shifting funds from military grade weapons to de-escalation training and other less violent solutions...

 

Hey look on the bright side hard drugs are legalized.

 

Derp derp

 

You could pretty easily fly drones with cameras around the protests. Body cameras would be an excellent start. After all, if a cop isn't present to witness vandalism or violence how are they arresting people for it? But if there is any evidence I'm fine with them being prosecuted per the law.

But there has always been vandalism in Portland. Heck, a lot of it looks pretty cool and isn't vandalism as much as it is a plywood canvas. The big problem is the homeless making it a stinking mess. The solution is to solve homelessness.

This can not be done economically or humanely at the city, or really even the state level for most states.

 

Okay... lets try to be rational here.
There are hundreds of protestors. A couple dozen cops. A few vandals intermixed in the protestors.
Do you think the cops have a realistic chance of catching the bulk of the vandals on camera or in the act?

Of course i want the problem solved. And I think that starts with being accurate of our depictions of events when vandalism occurs, where the officers are at the time, and the fact that most of the vandalism happens while on the move.
Cops are not going to be there during the act. What percent of crimes occur while in the presence of an officer?

 

If there is no evidence then it should go unpunished. Far better than having innocent people on the streets getting arrested and charged without evidence.

The solution is to make changes to curb the problem people are protesting about. Or, in general, quit having so many miserable people. There are too many people in the US working far too hard while making too little money.

It's not a good situation. And this is the result.

 

Yeah. was sad when they sent them to glue factory.

 

im not following you. Are you implying that the bulk of the vandalism over the last year has been graffiti art and is no different than it has always been?

because i thought we were talking about broken windows and trashed stores fronts? And who gives the vandals the right to choose how an owners storefront should look?

Again. This all sounds like an excuse for accepting vandalism. Sorry.

 

Thats an economic situation. Not a police excessive force issue.