We have so many young players i think we have to bundle a few up and get a young star-level player in here. Other than LAF i don't think any of the forwards are untouchable if it means getting a player like Eichel in here.
I 100% agree with that. There is no way we can play/pay all the kids anyway. I might add Kakko to the untouchable list. That can be debated, but truthfully I don't think it has to be because I think we can get Eichel without Kakko in the package (or Lafreniere or Schneider if we so choose). We have so many good young players, that taking 3 or 4 out of the mix as untouchable, will still leave us with the best package to offer. Plus a 1st, and their 3rd back (they are the worst team in the NHL - which means that is the first pick of the 3rd round). It really is the perfect match.
I would offer a 2nd 1st rather than a high level kid like Kakko or Kravtsov. Granted only one of the firsts Buffalo would be getting would be in the top 10, but combined with Chytil, Robertson or Lundkvist, that's the equivalent of 4 1sts. Throw in the 3rd and a midlevel prospect too if needed.
Why do we have to give up anything more than Kakko for Eichel? I wouldn't give up Kakko straight up for Eichel. First of all, both were second picks in their respective drafts. I understand McDavid comes along once every 10 years or so, but Kakko could have easily been 1st pick that year and the jury is still out if he is better than Quinn. I wouldn't give up anything more than Kakko for Eichel if Kakko has to be included, 2nd for 2nd. If anything Sabres should give us more as Kakko is very young while Eichel is much older in hockey years. If it has to be Eichel three 1st rounders is enough if not too much. (Chytil, 2 1sts and a defensive prospect like Jones, or Chytil, Lundkvist and 1st). If they don't take the similar deal, then they are idiots and exactly the reason why that organization is where they are. Look at Rangers and Sabres, they have been rebuilding for a while now, and ours started exactly 3 years ago. We didn't have the 1st pick for 5 years, thanks to Sather. Today, we have so many amazing prospects that Gauthier who I think is an extremely talented player has room only on the 4th line.
I am not sweating it too much because I don't think Kakko will need to be included. At most you start with a kid on the Chytil or Kravtsov level as the base and go from there. I think we have the leverage not Buffalo. I doubt they get a better package from any other team. And if Eichel goes elsewhere we have so many assets I have no doubt Gorton will add a stud even if it isn't Eichel. We are in a very enviable spot I think.
Disagree. Kakko is still all about potential while Eichel is not even 25 yet and an established sure-thing in the league who produces a point per game in a shitty team.
No deals - in the past trade they were always active at the TDL. Could have made a few smaller moves, maybe bring a guy in that needs a change of scenery
Amazing how casually guys like Chytil and Kakko are thrown out in mock trades but lazy baby Huey Gauthier is untouchable. Unless Julien le gommage picks up his game he's going to run into the same situation as Carolina, time to wake the eff up. Can't take shifts off on the NHL. Kappo has learned that, Laf is coming along and Kravstov is already there.
My only concern with giving up a huge package of prospects for Eichel is him living up to our expectations. Maybe it's just a byproduct of how terribly this year has gone for the Sabres but, they brought in Hall on a 1 year deal thinking having Eichel as his C was going to be a dynamic powerhouse line. Meanwhile, the two of them combined for 4 goals before Eichel got hurt and Hall looked like a complete disaster. The truly great players are supposed to be able to elevate the play of the players around them. Granted I have watched very few Sabres games so I am speaking out of turn but, who are the players that Eichel has elevated? Maybe the skill level of his former linemates aren't at the level or a least the potential level of a guy like LaF or Kakko. But it's weird that he and Hall could never get anything going, guy was a former MVP. When it comes down to it, you have to trust he's going to be a difference making player on this team and it seems like the two teams are a good match. I'd be pumped to see him in a Rangers uniform so hopefully they can put a good deal together.
Because we need elite talent and you're not going to get an elite talent like Eicher centered around Gauthier.
i'm no Sabres expert but the past 2 seasons prior to this one they were a below .500 team yet Eichel had better than a ppg. Last season he had 28 more points than the 2nd player and the season prior to that 17 more points than the 2nd player. No idea why it did not work out better with Hall this season but he does have 18 points in 21 games. We have a lot of talent here and could see him reaching 100 points with us. If the cost to get him is Kakko, I do it, assuming there are no long term concerns about his injury.
At days end if I had to give up Kakko I would do it, based on stud Eichel and he is a C, but I still maintain it will not come to that. Chytil or Kravtsov, a 1st, their 3rd back, a good D prospect (not our best), and maybe one other solid/okay piece (mid roster player or mid level prospect) gets it done I think.
Not giving up Kakko. He's going to be tremendous. He's also a player that will draw a ton of penalties as he matures. His defensive game this year is almost elite already. I said it before. Buffalo needs to start building a defense. Then they can start winning games. If you bring in Eichel you have to move Strome. It just won't work here with Strome. Strome has played too hard here to trade to the crap Sabres. I wouldn't do that to him. There has to be some honor. The teams are not a match for a deal. I'm going back to Dvorak. I think he would explode here and he's 53% on draws. He cooled off. He's a guy they could easily get. Now if you really want to make a run at cup. If the Blues don't do crap this year and want to rebuild their defense. Go for O'Reilly. He's almost 60% on draws. He's a winner. He's clutch. It's probably going to cost you Buchnevich, Strome, Jones and Reunanen. It's a lot but O'Reilly would almost completely fix our faceoff problem in the East. If you told me we had O'Reilly here for that package, next year I'd say we would contend for the cup with Quinn outta here and Knobby in.
I totally disagree that we aren't a match for Buffalo with regards to Eichel. We are the absolute perfect match. We need/want a stud C, we have the # 1 system in the NHL, we have all our picks, we have 30 mill of cap space this summer, we already have their 3rd round pick - which I am sure they would like back. With that said, we may not get him/they may not deal him, but directionally we absolutely are a match with Buffalo, the best IMO.
They're getting old and I'm not sure he stays there beyond next year. They are going to need an infusion of young talent. Barkov that is.
Who said the Rangers aren't a match with the Sabres? I was saying they are a good match. But I agree with 71...I'd prefer to have Barkov over Eichel.
Kreider - he said the teams are not a match for a deal. I think it is close between Barkov and Eichel. Eichel has cost certainty for many years. Barkov is up for a new deal after next season, and I think will exceed the 10 mill Eichel makes. With that said, I'd lean Barkov, but I am not sure he'll be available. If he is then yeah you press for either one really, maybe with a lean/preference towards Barkov.
Florida is not old. That's bullshit. They have 2 vet defenseman. That's it. Otherwise, they are pretty young. They are not trading Barkov.
