BTW, sorry you moderators have to waste your time with this shit. If I was a moderator, I probably would have deleted both threads and not responded to any PMs.
Sorry to hear you have ants in your pants about this situation, but I just plain disagree! I think it's a fair (and by fair, I mean "within the bounds of reasonable conversation," not giving an opinion of whether hoopsjock was actually super-angry) form of expression. Saying someone was "really angry" about something isn't a comment on personality, it's a comment on how you perceive that they feel about something, which is part of discussion. "Foaming at the mouth" is just a colorful way to say "really angry." I mean, in certain contexts, maybe it's impolitic to use such a colorful expression. If your significant other is upset at you for selling his/her car for drugs, or saying something hurtful, that may not be the best time to describe them as foaming at the mouth. But this a sports forum, where you have to give your opinions in written language--colorful expressions are part and parcel of interesting writing.
I know you are just being funny, but I'm not irritated by the posts in here. But I consider relationships in sports forums same as any kind of relationships; it's good practice to have constructive relationships. I guess that's boring, but that's how I am.
I get it. I just meant that I don't consider "foaming at the mouth" to be inherently insulting or anti-constructive (destructive?). I think that expressions like that, like jokes or sarcasm, have their place in informal discussions. It may not be suitable in every context (like the example I gave in my other post), but I think it was okay in this case.
You’re a sweet guy. Thanks for what you do... That being said, after that novel, you can’t EVER again call out OB for his long-windedness.
I am in a fantasy basketball league with 9 other old friends. It gets very competitive and heated sometimes. But in the end, guess what? It's just fantasy basketball. This is just a basketball forum amigos. Let's not forget that. It should be fun, not stress. We have plenty of stress in the offline world. And you mods are awesome.
I hate dogs. Still, i'm so sorry Dog has to try to play peacemaker. Ya'll are good dudes. Let's just be cool. Sometimes two peeps don't get along. If i don't like someone i try to avoid them. Even if they pick at me. But, i don't see foaming at the mouth as a bad expression. If bones and hoopsjock want to make it big, and i'm sure they do, foaming at the mouth will probably be one of the tamest things someone could say to them. They are gonna get the heat brought on them just like anyone else in that job. I don't care for Marang. We shit on him pretty hard when he was here and still do. Comes with the territory if you put yourself out there on youtube or tv.
This post is as long as any I have written. It took me about 2 minutes to read it. I written and/or posted 20 to 30 long things like this, some of which weren't responded to. 30 x 2 = 60 minutes. Took me 12 minutes to respond to this. 12 x 30 = 600= 10 hours. 11 hours total. Exaggerate much? Also, you make it sound as if this is all on me and not the guy who more often than not instigated the drama against people he knows don't care for his antics. Something you keep evading and will not address. Ive also taken and given many Blazer tickets for him and his son to go to. Does what we have done as friends outside of this forum matter? This is forum stuff. What we have done for each other outside of here is irrelevant. First, I don't say things in private I wouldn't say in public. That's the difference from me and most, I don't have anything to hide man. Second, if Chris relayed I was mad ad the foaming of the mouth as thinking its an insult, he is incorrect in that relay. I agree. Its not a personal insult. What it is, is yet another direct callout, non basketball related post against another member of the forum out of the blue. Again, its about the poster not the post right? I have brought this up many times and you keep evading and dismissing this aspect. He continually goes at posters he knows does not care for his behavior and antics and he does it to create drama. Period. Someone is attacking him and Its because of his behavior, not personal attacks. So whether he made a personal attack is irrelevant. Its about him continually going at people he knows he has issues with to purposefully attempt to create drama. You continue to ignore this aspect. So IF I'm getting blamed for doing something I didn't do and he is still doing his typical attack the poster bullshit., I know it could instigate said dumbass to go after him again and Ill just get blamed again . You all let him continue with these comments, and minimize them. Enable him and support him in this behavior, along with many posters here, and yet its this behavior that has obviously pissed ALot of people off of at least one person has gone so far as to go after him outside of the forum. I mean any common sense person would be seriously pissed that someone came a them outside of here, but should also have enough common sense to STOP GOING AT OTHERS HERE that he knows he has had issues with. I mean wtf man??? seriously? How does anyone support that type of behavior? How does anyone who is not a complete asshole think its actually funny and a joke to belittle people you know you don't get along with? I'm asking? Who actually thinks thats funny? Cool? He has done this from the very first interaction ive had with him and he did it for over a year before he fond his new target in Bones when he showed up. We both made it crystal clear we didnt like his bs( along with several other posters) and he doubles down and continues to talk about us in a belittling and demaining mane and has never done anything but. Who the fuck does that? Who thinks its funny to continue to go at people who don't care for the antics? [/QUOTE] Read above... Again, read above. You went on this whole long insult thing when that has not been the point. I do not hate HCP. I do not hate you. I think HCP is a complete ***hat who doesnt know when to give a little bit of respect,l or ever admit when he might have been wrong, but thats far form hating someone ive never met. I have never told you I hate him and have always made it clear I dont wish him any harm or ill will outside of the forum, so your assertion is incorrect and off base. You should correct yourself cause thats BS. Regarding you, I dont hate you either. I think you are a great mod in certain aspects, but have lost alot of respect for you over the HCP thing because no matter how many times I tell you the issue, you make statements like above that twist things into what they arent. Its not a personal insult thing. Its a stalking thing. Why cant he leave it to the post or basketball only? why must he continually make personal comments about other posters he knows he doesn't get along with? Why does he go out of his way to poke the bear to instigate drama and then continually claim innocence? Why do you minimalize this behavior and not address it as the core of the issue like it is? I swear to god on my life, my wife, my mother and father, Ive never taken anything outside of this forum in any form or fashion nor do I have any knowledge of anyone doing so. I have been forthright and an open book with what I did and do know, of which I wont repeat because its beating dead horse a this point, even though every time we talk, you have twisted it into something different, somehow not fully comprehending each time I have told you What I discussed and know regarding the Bodyman prank. Ive told it to you three or four times, you have referenced it in the past several times and each time incorrectly..... For a couple years I never thought there was a letter. I thought it was a ploy to try to get me to feel bad. Once I actually came around to believing such a thing happened, I immediately provided full disclosure on anything and everything I knew and didnt know. I apologized to HCP several times for my one thread in the initial phases asking people what they thought the Blazers might think if they knew he was actively and purposefully chasing new fans away from here. Thats it. Again, I have apologize many many times for doing that publicly, but after several complaints to you and other mods with little to know positive response,. I made a public thread asking the members what they thought. There were many moments early on where mods could have and in my opinion should have told him straight up publicly to chill, just like they publicly reprimand others. That shit never happened as far as I ever saw. Instead it led those who he chased around the forum talking shit about feel like there is a pretty obvious mod bias then. And so now, here we are. Yet no mods will step up and say, you know, we should have put a stop to it sooner. My bad. No. Its all OB and his endless drama. Sly, you have known me from when I first came here. You have met me several times. I was I this way when I first joined this place? Was I not all about basketball and meetups and having fun? Do you knot see I have become jaded because of this bias that has largely affect my conflict with him, that should have been put to bed sooo long ago? Fuck He continually denied my apologies for anything to do with anything once I realized someone was actually going after him and he shit in my face over it. You want me to still feel bad now? I tried to make my amends, but since he is going to continue to think I did it, and continue his attacking people personally on this forum he knows he doesn't get along with then Im also helpless. Because someone keeps going after him over this and as long as he continues this behavior im gonna get blamed for the attacks outside of the forum. Read above. Thats whats fucked up. All your answers lie in my last comment above.... Its really hard to believe you listened to me when you say my issues or complaints aren't even what they are. You called me out in a post a few weeks back saying I was being insulting and insulting. I quoted every post in that conversation and asked you to point out where and you ignored it. You have several times twisted my conversation with bodyman I have relayed to you into something I didnt say. You may say you have worked very hard, If so, you make alot of mistakes at work..... or, you werent really listening and your just saying you were because you think it will make me feel better, as if i'm some chump. lol. How about chasing members around he doesn get along with and talking down or belittling them personally? Non basketball related? I'm taking up a couple of posters advise who pmed me and made me realize there are even more people who don't care for his antics than I realized and assured me if I put him on ignore it will work, as it has worked for them. So he has been on ignore since yesterday and will remain that way. But man I got to say. I never fucking took shit out of this forum. Ever. That's playing dirty and I dont do that man. Thats not how I roll at all. I fight fire head on, why do you think my posts are so fiery? because I get it out right then and there and then more on. I dont put energy into this place outside of here. Seriously! I got a full life with many project to even consider wasting time on this damn forum outside of the forum. So he can, you can, other mods can, other members can think what they want, but they would be wrong if they thought I did anything.
I'll say it Publicly now. I was just having fun this morning with the wine thing. Sorry. Didn't realize this had gotten this far out of hand. Hope you all find a way to get it all sorted out. Peace.
I'm totally lost at what happened (been on vacation), but I too hope things can be worked out. The number of non-basketball posts made in response to basketball related posts that someone doesn't agree with have got a little high for my liking, but I understand being a mod has to be hard.
@SlyPokerDog Its this right here is all I had ever been looking for people to say, because its 100% truth. Its not justified. IT wasn't against me when he first came at me and it isn't justified when he goes at Bones and it wasn't justified when he would go at DougInSalem randomly. But all I wanted to see was a few members and or mods state this and I wouldnt have had my long rants and posts man. I don't know why it is so hard for more people to stand up for what is right and call him out for that type of behavior. Seriously. Its not. good for the forum, not good for him, not good for bones and Hoop. Why does he feel the need to always have a target to go after and pick on like some internet bully? And don't say its all joke,s because I know it hasnt been all jokes with me. And even if it was, when a person says they don't like he joke, you don't double down on the joke with that person . Only a complete asshole does that man. How does anyone think that behavior is funny? How do you think its acceptable? How come you have not more often said exactly what Hizzy just said when HCP so often exhibits this behavior You have MADE it all a mountain out of a mole hill, buy enabling his antics into thinking he can treat anyone however he wants without any recourse. But so many other posters are told to keep it about the post, not the poster. You can make excuses, sidestep, ignore my comments and try to move the goalposts like you have in the past. The end result is your boy is the root of the drama when he does this and you have not done enough to admonish his behavior compared to how hard you have come down on others for similar behavior. Problem I have is most of your mods are just like you and actually support and enable his behavior to the point that HCP thinks he can do no wrong, and I see that as never changing. Im going to gracelessly bow out now. I told you you were one of the few last people who I didnt have contact with outside of here that kept me coming here and that has faded over time based on my above comments. Im going to gracelessly bow out now, as its clear with your post you think you have tried so hard to appease me while I have also realized you have not really clearly understood my complaints and either purposefully twist them around to make it look worse on me, or truly just dont comprehend what ive told you over time, but its been wrong. Proven again above by you thinking my complaint was about a specific word of foaming.... I have always told you personally and publicly on many many occasions I thought you do a great job as a mod. So you hate accusations and shit, its just more sensational drama to make me look worse and I just dont get that man. Ive got real issues with you and how you are handling this and handling HCP, but that is not even getting close to being of hate. This is just a man forum and not enough of an emotional investment to be hateful. I walk away form shit I hate man. Unhappy? Disgruntled lately? Hell yeah. But you will likely just say I hate you and this place a month or two from now, not really listening to anything I just said now, like you have so many times in the past... Carry on dog. Your forum. HCP is untouchable and can trash other members he knows don't like his games and it will all be a hunky dorry safe space for him again soon enough. He can find another target and not have any more push back from me and you can continue to allow him to do his bullshit and I wont say a word. He is on ignore. I will say this though. Some of your other mods lack... well Ill say this. How can you take a mod seriously when he claims half his opinions are facts in serious discussions? How can you take a mod seriously when in a serious discussion about conflict, his main rebuttal is that of sarcasm? That really lacks something to be desired... and if a mod can respond t a conflict in a more.. professional manner than using sarcasm, he is just another poster and shouldn't even be a mod.... The level of protection from some mods is not justified and neither is their response to those with complaints about HCP. They say the complaints go on and on and on and on? Well no shit when you respond in sarcasm...... Thanks for all that you DID do Jon. And I mean that. No hate.
See now everyone is making it about foaming of the mouth when it never even had anything to do with that!!! .. HAHAHA Man. How things get soo twisted around here....
You often rail on personal responsibility in the OT threads in regards to different things like universal healthcare, etc. Yet for like 3-4 years now, it seems, you've been crying for the mods to do something about this. instead of you taking personal responsibility. When you can take some PERSONAL FUCKING RESPONSIBILITY and put HCP on ignore, but you double down. And double down. And double fucking down. Over and over. You ran BNM off the site. He was an awesome poster that I believe just got tired of this shit. If I'm wrong on that, apologies. Memory seems to think that's right though. Over. And over. And over. For YEARS, you could have ignored someone you don't like, but you go at it. And at it. And at it. And say, but why not tell him to do it. He doesn't fucking care like you do! He doesn't cause 40 hours of unpaid work for people like you do. You are so wound up ion all this shit, and on winning arguments, or who is liking wha, and what clique is what. Jesus fucking christ man. I'm tired enough of this place with the constant strive for who can be the most negative. But all of this shit is just sad. Good luck to you.
That was a really long OP that doesn't appear to have anything about me, and I'm wondering why. I make people mad, too.
Quote it, edit your name in in different spots, and argue against those points. Job security for @SlyPokerDog. He'll thank us later
