Fire Stotts Eventually

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by BonesJones, Dec 20, 2016.

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How good do you think Terry Stotts is a s a coach?

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  3. Top 20

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  4. Needs to go!

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  5. He's the very best!

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  6. Lets hope he continues to improve.

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  1. Strenuus

    Strenuus Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Won't argue that. Let's just say the olshey firing is built in. Because it should be.
     
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    He will be, don't worry. Terry is out.
     
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    tester551 Well-Known Member

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    Neil needs to go too.
    I think they ought to fire Olshey immediately. They can spend the rest of the season finding the right person to hire.
     
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    I think thats far less likely. Neil has direct access with the Seattle folks and likely has communicated the plan depending on the rest of the season. Terry doesnt have that benefit. Just like the real world/corporate america. Neil and Terry arent "friends", I am sure Neil is very comfortable making this move considering the amount of changes he has made with the roster - many of them good I think - and isn't about to take the blame for an underperforming team (which I think they are). The roster isnt perfect, most arent in the NBA, but I am not sure you can look at this talent and think they are maximizing their ability on both ends of the court.
     
  5. Tince

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    I mostly agree with everything you said.

    In theory, I agree that your star player should not be able to pick if the head coach stays or which one comes in. In practice, I think it's far more complicated. LeBron more or less picks or OKs his coaches. If the only two options were to keep Dame and Dame's handpicked coach or the best coach possible, but lose Dame, I'd go with keeping Dame and his coach. That's just because I think star talent is more important than coaching.

    Luckily, it doesn't have to be an either or situation. It's very possible Dame would stay with a long list of coaches.
     
  6. Hoopguru

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    I bet we would all be surprised with how Jody, Bert and Vulcans assess the success of the team.
    Botton Line & Fan support #1
    Team chemistry
    Making Playoff's an annual goal, it drives profitability.
    Advancing is bonus
    Championship the ultimate prize! (the 30 owners realize only a few elite teams will challenge each year but the league mandate is to keep fan excitement and expenditures rolling in through playoff madness.
    If a team does not make the offs for a few years or there are player coach issue, new coaching happens right away.
    If teams advance or like Dallas are lucky to win it all one year its buys that coaching staff and gm time in many cases.
    An Owner that thinks the bread is stale will throw it out and start fresh. This is where I think Jody may act on.
     
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  7. blazerkor

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    This is why Neil likely won't go but definitely should. He's a great corporate salesman but he's just not a top level basketball executive. He continuously puts out the expectation that he has built a championship roster when he obviously has not. The guy is hit and miss at evaluating the talent he acquires but once they're here his evaluation goes to absolute shit.

    Unless the plan is to trade CJ before or on the day of the draft, the Norman Powell pick up was absolutely terrible. Olshey must have thought, "I know that I'm not wrong about this CJ and Dame thing. They just need another small guard who likes to score off of the bounce and then they'll click." We will not make it further in the playoffs this season than we did last season, when Olshey doesn't trade CJ Norm will leave and we will have traded Gary for absolutely nothing.

    So you're right he does probably have some kind of plan Z to sell the Vulcans on. The problem is that he will try to sell them on a plan that is a modification to a car that has an engine (the Dame/CJ backcourt) that will never get us to where we want to go and the guy will not replace or rebuild. So, I wouldn't think that Olshey would see his termination coming and that's why, even though it's not extremely likely, I hold onto hope that on the the day the season ends or even before, Chris McGowan fires Neil Olshey and has a real basketball person in mind to take his place... not a failed actor turned snake oil salesman.
     
  8. Cugel

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    I don't think anyone at Vulcan can tell you who a single player is other than Dame. They don't fucking care about wins and losses only the bottom line. To think any other way is naive. Paul was different because he had a personal interest in the sport and sports in general. The single most important thing at Vulcan is money and getting asses in seats. Would a ring increase PROFITS? probably not. Sure if the team is a complete shit show fans may not attend games etc, but they have a winning record and a good chance to make the post season.
     
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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    Way too optimistic. Are you guys new here?
     
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    My daughter (14 years old, and hoping to play varsity as a freshman in a few weeks) just announced that if she were running the Blazers she'd fire Terry Stotts.

    "Getting the ball to Dame to shoot 3's is not an offense. And don't even get me started on the defense..."

    <sigh>
     
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    Man we are almost out of the top6. I'm like 90% sure Dallas will get that spot. And now i can imagine us going against Steph in play in and he goes for 50.
     
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  12. blazerkor

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    I have to disagree with you even though you are obviously being hyperbolic on purpose. I fucking guarantee that Chris McGowan knows this team and what goes on with it far better than any of us do. That being said, he may not care about winning big. I very seriously doubt that day to day profits are anywhere close to as important as franchise valuation is. I know that teams are worth more when they are better known and followed more closely outside of their markets though. I also know that when a team is actually contending, that is when the team becomes relevant. If this team was where it was in mid 90' to mid 92' then I also guarantee it we would be worth more. We'd have more games on national TV, we'd have bigger sponsors with bigger dollars pursuing us which is a day to day profit scenario but more importantly the franchise would likely be worth half a billion more than it right now as it toils in obscurity.

    If Vulcan doesn't see a path to relevance then I can see them not giving a damn but if they do then it's worth a whole helluva lot of money.
     
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    Good points..The teams share revenue too, so as long as they are meeting other objective and subjective performance criteria, and at the very least are in the playoffs (which keeps the interest level up) sets the stage for status quo.
     
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    The Blazers are a billion dollar business operation; millions coming in one door and going out another. And Paul Allen's estate was much more complicated than just the Blazer operation. I have no clue how everything is structured in an estate like that...in a financial empire like that. But it's sure to be complex and tax effects and shelters are going to blur lines and offer advantages all over the ledgers. I know in real estate when an owner dies and the asset is passed to an heir, a new basis is created for depreciation and other tax impacts.

    it could be that right now the Blazers are a giant tax shelter for the estate and Jody Allen. I'm pretty sure there's a new basis on the Rose Garden and the practice facility and any attached structures and other facilities. There may even be some sort of stepped up basis on the franchise as well. I'd imagine so but I'm not sure.

    so, there could be plenty of motivation not to rock boats and just collect revenue and tax advantages. At the same time, thru depreciation, the basis drops and the longer the asset is held the lower the basis. meaning higher taxes when it's eventually sold, if it is. So there mat be plenty of reason for JA & the Vulcans to sell sooner rather than later
     
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    not new. not overly optimistic. the overall tenor around the team is markedly different now vs previous years. a lot of additions recently and no improvement, and neil has to be frustrated with that. he feels he 'did his job' but nothing is showing for it.
     
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    It just can't happen soon enough.
     
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    Anyone catch terry’s post game presser where they asked whether Dames missed free throw was on purpose or not? He literally said “I don’t know”

    We have a High school chaperone for a head coach.
     
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    No eventually about it. Whoever started this thread should ask the mods to change the title to “fire stotts yesterday”.
     
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    What was really telling about that interview was Terry answered the question like those former/retired coaches who broadcast say what they would have done in that situation ... "I would have Dame make the free throws" instead of "Our strategy was X ..."

    I think Terry sees the writing on the wall. The team does as well. Just get it over with. It's one less distraction.
     
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    I guess that explains why he didn't put Kanter in there at the end to rebound a miss; he just didn't have a plan.
     
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