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Again, I never said they were jailable offenses. Though I did elude to Id be fine with it if they are avoiding paying the infraction. What I DID say is I believe they have the option to pay those off as time spent. Not currently, forced. An Option.

We simply disagree. NOW that its been clarified neither of us are referring to civil suits( Again I wanted to make sure because your opinion seems off to me, as im sure mine will be to yours).

A responsible person doesnt get to that point. A responsible person who cares about others gets the headlight fixed, so they arent a hazard on the road. Most judged and courts, if fixed by the court date, dismiss the fine. If a person doesnt have the sense enough to figure out the options to avoid having their license suspended for traffic vio0lations, then I dont want them voting...How Can I have faith its a responsibly informed vote when they cant figure out something as simple as avoiding a license suspension over a traffic violation?

Speeding"?: That's wreckless and potentially life threatening. Pay the fine or lose your license and ability to vote until you do so.

Seems drastic, but the soft love is enabling, as seen by the increased activities in Portland over the last year.

Do the crime pay the time. Or let them off and lets just become lawless.

"...Ill speed, not care, not [pay the traffic fines, complain when my license is suspended and I can no longer vote. But im responsible and care about others and should be allowed to vote!!! (even though Im willing to take others lives in my hands by speeding down the street)

 

I have a big issue with traffic violations leading to any potential of losing voting rights. The thought of that seems absurd to me. Especially when there is subjective enforcement of moving violations.
By imposing fines that could be difficult for low income earners to pay, and thus creating a system where they lose their ability to vote, is why I made my initial comment about the poll tax. Too poor to pay? Can't vote. Can afford to pay? Cool, you keep your right to vote.

 

Now there is an angle i didnt think about. People speed and get away with it. Speed traps. Subjective cops.
these are legit arguments to me.

Being too poor isnt a factor that should be considered though.
You can work fines off thru community service. I know. Ive done it.

 

The solution is simple, take away the driver's license as required and replace it with a state issued ID card that is not a driver's license.

 

What would be the cost of that?

 

People should not lose any right unless they are infringing on the rights of others. So violence or theft in high dollar amounts.

A person should lose no freedoms by refusing to pay a fine. However, that may impact your credit.

 

The same as it is for others who want only an ID card and not a driver's license.

 

ill discuss more indepth this weekend as we but my first thought is to define infringe.
To me its an infringement when someone is on my ass trying to force me to speed when im already at the speed limit. If that person passes me and gets a ticket for speeding and doesnt pay, they can suck it.
In a round about way they infringe on everyone and put everyones life in danger thst is in close proximity.

the issue is who was speeding unknowingly vs those who intentionally speed and make driving unsafe for others on the reg.

So in typing this, i think infringement needs to be clearly defined in many facets to determine what is a viable offense or not.

just remember. Im on the, been too leniant” side currently and think a whip should be cracked because we are getting soft. so thst may be prt of why im like, “ fuck it. Toss the book at them.”

 

I did define it.

Your example doesn't even come close to qualifying. All you have to do is move out of the way and they can go around you.

If they were ramming your car that would rise to the level of violence and qualify.

The US has 1/4 of the world's prisoners and 1/25 of the world's population... We're not being too lenient.

 

It all depends on which lane you're in.

 

Other than 10 cents Oregon etc, I have no idea what you speak of.

 

https://www.almanac.com/content/which-plastics-are-recyclable-number

 

Had no idea that was relevant to the consumer.

 

There's actually a lot of stuff you can't recycle, which just makes them toss the whole thing out.

 

Different plastics get recycled in different groups. Each group has it's own identifying number. Some recyclers don't take all groups, aka numbered plastics.
For a good explanation read this:
https://learn.eartheasy.com/articles/plastics-by-the-numbers/