OT Vaccines Are Satan

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    No thats not the clip i was talking about if you have TikTok you can view the link i posted it was him on stage saying that if you turn the cycle up higher you can find anything you want on any disease and fraudulent run with the numbers of positive tests
     
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    The govt didn't tell me what to do...my heart surgeon did and he's not even born in the US....my cousin in New Zealand told me how to handle things as well as my wife's family in Taiwan...covid is global...not a national conspiracy...and people say what they like .....so far you've referenced Satan and someone's lord and savior disguised as the Center for Disease Control....how about showing some open mindedness towards our doctors and nurses who have been on the front lines of this pandemic? We can discuss things or you can speechify paranoid conspiracy theories about global genocide..choices. You can thow your phone away anytime....now might be a good one given what you're putting out there on the internet. Bottom line is that I trust my doctor and the medical professionals I've listened to from the start of this...as far as death...we're all going to die..you got that right.
     
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    Most doctors are sponsored by big pharma. They get incentives. Also sadly many doctors are institutionalized by medical cartel. They are taught and brainwashed that whatever the medical association recommends they follow it by the book and dont ask any questions. Thats why is very difficult finding smart critical thinking doctors because afterall 70% of all doctors took the covid vax without any questions. Also understand that the CDC and National Institute of health are in cahoots with all big pharma. The CDC makes billions on sale on vaccines because they have up to 20 patents for vaccines. The NIH has 3 patents of moderna vaccines invested in it.
     
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    Money isn't as important as human life...sorry, I don't believe your conspiracy theory about doctors....sure big pharma has a lot of money and has price gouged....so has weapons manufacturing and many other places billions of dollars are spent....NASA spends a whole lot of money....is that a govt scam? Blanket statements like ....many doctors are institutionalized by medical cartels....that's pure bullshit...they are shackled by a need for tort reform....most doctors think insurance companies are the issue..not pharma...my heart doctor found me my meds for a fraction of the price of name brand heart meds...there's no brainwashing going on for that many people simultaneously unless you're a Trump follower. The people at the VA have been incredible about helping me through my heart procedures...I can't thank them enough...to insult those folks is pretty shallow from my view....I did like you using the word "cahoots" ..being from rural Iowa I don't think I've heard that used since I was a young man on the farm...sounds like a word from the era of Gunsmoke on black and white tv
     
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    You are, once again, misreading the data. The study ended at 100 days. Well, at least the one in your link did. Maybe there is a follow-on study that goes beyond 100 days?

    I understand it ended at 100 days, that is all the data that is available. I should have clarified my initial comment by saying "after 100 days". What data do YOU have that supports your argument? How effective are they?


    Exaggerated by some, for sure. But also underestimated by some, including, I think, you.

    This is hard to quantify, and I don't even care about masks so we can move on from this point. I wear them when they are required and have not been against mask mandates before. They're easy to use and are only a minor inconvenience. But, the masks the average person has and how they use them, it has been shown not to be very effective. A 1.8% reduction after 100 days is considered very effective to you?



    That's not actually interesting to note. Cases spike and recede - the US has gone through a few peaks so far.

    Shouldn't they keep rising with the exponential growth you mentioned prior?



    I didn't, but preconceived notions aren't why. I rarely watch any videos posted here. If there were any interesting facts in the video, they could be summarized. You've watched it, what does it say? Wasting 15 minutes trying to get at something that could be read as text in 30 seconds isn't efficient.

    Exactly, you won't even give it a chance. If I give you a summary, would you then believe me, a stranger on the internet? Of course not. I try and look at and search for data from all sides. If you have any good videos to share, please share I would like to check them out.



    15 minutes is a lot. I've spent less time than that, for instance, reading the article you linked to and debunking your claims about it.

    If you can't even devote 15 minutes to a video, I don't see how you can have an open mind and be open to other points of view.



    Yeah... but nobody thinks the Flu vaccine might kill them or make their dick fall off or includes a microchip or whatever the latest conspiracy is. Flu vaccines are boring.

    I have a feeling the people that have died from it, aren't reporting the deaths because it's a fun conspiracy. There have been 4,763 reported deaths , or 31% of all vaccine reported deaths (next highest is 1,366). There have been 26,500 reported serious adverse reactions, or 22% of all reported serious adverse reactions (the next highest is less than 8k). This is out of all of the vaccines given since 1990, or about 10 billion. You don't think it's an alarming trend? They ended the swine flu vaccine in the 70's when they reached 25 deaths.



    I wasn't suggesting that people might be filing false reports, although I wouldn't put it past some of the anti-vaxxers, now that you mention it.
    What I meant was that it's just a complaint department. It's not a scientific study of side effects.


    I'm sure it has happened some, but since it's still optional, I have a feeling most that have gotten the vaccine are in favor of it. Vaers is the only standard we have of measuring vaccine safety (after trials). What alternative do you suggest?


    And yet 1 out of 550 people in the USA are already dead from Covid. So obviously your numbers aren't accurately representing the risk.

    The vaccine companies state the absolute risk reduction is roughly 1%. Statistically, it would take 100 people to stop 1 covid case. With a 1% mortality rate, then 100 cases would need to be stopped to reduce 1 death. Like the case growth models, there are obviously limitations...like the fact that the risk is highly dependent on age and health. This also depends on the case rate and growth in certain areas, Oregon for instance would be lower. These numbers are from the vaccine trials, with controlled studies. 15k vaccines, reduced covid cases from 185 in the placebo group, down to 11 in vaccine group. A reduction of 174 out of 15k vaccines, is minor. However, 17% of people that had both shots, experienced Grade 3 Systemic reactions. 77% had at least a Grade 1 or higher systemic reaction.
    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2035389


    That paragraph as written doesn't make sense, maybe you can clarify? There weren't 'breakthrough' cases at the beginning, since there were no vaccines, so there was no reason to have a standard for what counts as a breakthrough case back then. If you are suggesting that only hospitalizations and deaths should have ever been counted, fine, then just ignore the other data - we do have the hospitalization and death data separately.

    Sorry, that was pretty garbled. I'm saying, if they're going to use case numbers, they should be set to the same standard for normal cases compared to breakthrough cases. Think about it, if the PCR tests can give a false positive at a higher rate with more cycles, then who's to say how many of the covid deaths were actually infected with covid.



    The risk is far larger than you believe it to be.

    You might be missing my point. I think older and at risk people should get it. You mentioned the total number of deaths of 550k. Do you know how many under the age of 50 have died? It's only 26k. That demographic represents over 2/3rds of our population. About 1 in 9k under age of 50 have died with covid.
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/

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    The sooner the American people understand that trump is a puppet just like biden the sooner this country will not be divided. Trump and biden are so radically different in every level. Yet both push experimental covid vaccines down our throats. Biden wants every woman man and child vaccinated. And Trump said he is the father of the vaccine and he highly recommendes every one gets it. Both follow the key vaccine push by their NWO masters. Its WWF wrestling good guy vs bad guy depending which side of fence you on. They all work for Vince Mcmahon .
     
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    Is the govt bribing people to get them? Giving them out for free? Are doctors recommending it? Are people shaming other people that don't want one? Does a mammogram have unknown side effects, that was just made in record time with never before used technology, and not thoroughly tested? The analogy isn't apples to apples, but surely you get the point.
     
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    I was born in 1954 and this country has been divided politically since I was born....I worked for Nixon during the war and monitored his war propaganda...I've seen civil rights leaders and presidents killed in my life...this is not WWE but it's something that was bound to get addressed as we face racism and abuse of the legal system, white privilege has it's power base threatened and along comes a racist figurehead who actually becomes president...yeah..that's where we are...in my life it was two steps forward and 10 steps backward...pretty sad really. I know better than to trust the govt to tell me the truth about everything they do but what you suggest would be them shooting themselves in the foot and in my experience...those titans of power are not going to be empathetic....or bite the hand that feeds them...they need people who spend every nickel they earn every month and feed their greed. Why would big pharma want people who buy meds every month or so to die? Doesn't add up...pharma killing elderly and sick people is the opposite of making a bunch of money that's sustainable..
     
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    Are we still arguing with this guy???? Talk about pissing into a wind storm. Mods, can we put a lock on this?? The way he’s cranking out disinformation, this will top the Melo thread by Friday if we keep wasting our time responding…….
     
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    There's the censorship. You don't trust people to make their own decision or do more research?
     
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    I'm all for it. If someone wants to come across as the guy yelling everyone is going to hell on the street corner by all means. As long as they aren't hurting anyone go for it.

    Oh wait.....spreading misinformation does hurt people.
     
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    Its not misinformation. Also this is not communist china and north korea where you take freedom of speech away. Big giant Tech already banning people from all social media. Twitter banned users who claimed covid broke out from the lab. Now after the fauci emails leaked there is lots of evidence leading to indeed leak from the lab, and Twitter no longer banns that theory. Since you got zero input please leave this thread and don’t come back
     
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    Who is able to determine what is misinformation though? While data and numbers aren't subjective, how you interpret the risk is. Do you think children are at risk and should get the vaccine? How about pregnant women? Do you only appeal to authority, what the govt determines or says? Has anything I said been misinformation? If so, what part?
     
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    Dr. Roger Hodkinson

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    Seems like common sense to me...
     
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    That is actually what you did say, but I think now I understand what you meant - I think you meant something like "at the 100 day mark, the decrease was only 1.8%"
    Whereas I thought you were saying something about days 101 and following.

    But, that still means you are misinterpreting the data - and not understanding what I said about that the first time.

    I have all of the scientific literature, all of the CDC data, etc. But it's not my job to prove that masks work, it's my (self-appointed) job to show that you are interpreting the known facts incorrectly.

    It's not that hard - the paper you linked to quantifies it. But you have to read it carefully.

    Not that that paper is necessarily the last word - it has some issues - but it is better than nothing.

    Yes, and it would be to you also, if you understood what the numbers actually mean.

    Not sure I mentioned exponential growth, but in any case the obvious answer is, if you do nothing, yes, up to a point. If you take steps to mitigate the spread of the disease, no.

    Exactly, some random cardiologist on a video is no more believable than you are. And I can actually have a conversation with you, unlike a video.

    Sorry, I mostly don't get my information from videos. Maybe that's an artifact of my advanced age, I don't know. It just seems like a very inefficient way to input data. I accept that some people prefer that medium, but I'd rather read.

    When you gave me something to read, I read it.

    I think that's mostly garbage in, garbage out. Of course some people who get the vaccine will later die. We all do.
    Other than the J&J blood clot issue (which I think did result in a handful of deaths) there are no known deaths caused by the covid vaccines.

    I would suggest that the CDC look into every single reported covid vaccine death and investigate the cause.
    I would suggest that, but hey - they already do that. The results are in my answer just above.
    Thanks for the link. It is true that a lot of people feel like shit for a couple of days after the shots. I did.
    Your claim that a reduction in cases from 185 to 11 is 'minor' is statistically invalid. Further, the more interesting data is that of the 30 cases of severe covid, all were in the placebo group. As was the one death.

    Nah, I think I understand your point, but what you are missing is that (a) some of those that don't die suffer mightily; (b) those that don't die can still spread it to those who might; (c) new variants may not be as selective for old people as the original was. Have you looked at what's going on in India lately? It's not pretty.

    By vaxxing only the elderly, you are encouraging the virus to spread amongst the rest of the population, and to mutate, and one of those mutants just might come bite you in the ass one day.

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