Trade Ben Simmons poll

Great stuff from Gilbert here.

 

No.

 

lol, I still don't think this happens. Not only for the reason I don't think we should get Simmons, but his contract too. That is actually worse than CJ's.

Simmons was PG in Philly, here he wont be the primary PG here, his stats will suffer watch and see and everyone will soon realize he is over rated and a poor man's Draymond Green. Green actually takes 3's and hits them, and has in big games, Finals etc. They fact that he even shots the 3 when left open unlike Simmons, so I don't want anyone to compare stats and say he is a better than Draymond due to having better stats lol.

Also, even if we do trade C.J., Roco and etc for Simmons I can see the Neil haters coming out and saying that's too much for Simmons, we didn't have to give up Roco, Neil fucked this trade up yada yada lmao.

 

If we trade CJ and RoCo we will get back a quality player in Maxey or Thybulle, so it won't be a two for one. You harped on Simmons' lack of shooting ability and praised Dray's which has become inefficient but you failed to mention the difference between the two in size and athletic ability. Simmons should be playing the 4 offensively like he did in college and being a point forward only when needed. The guy is an effective scorer and when his head is right he gets to the hoop at will. So people can talk about his lack of three point shooting all day long but he would be an elite offensive PF scoring inside, screening, rolling, slashing and passing and is one of the very best defenders in the league.

I would rather see us trade CJ, Nas and picks for Simmons but I think he's got such a high ceiling and this would be such an ideal situation for him that you trade CJ, RoCo and a pick for him and either Maxey or Thybulle if that's what it has to be.

 

What? He's better than Draymond in everything besides shooting. He is LeBron without a jump shot right now. I'd give CJ and Roco for him if need be without thinking twice.

 

"Greek-the-freak-ing this dude"

 

yeah, Arenas nailed the situation down pretty well. It was real convenient for Doc & Embiid & the 76er front office to make Simmons the scapegoat for their playoff exit. They trashed him, both his play and his character. And people forgive the 76ers for their actions while slamming Simmons for threatening to sit out the season

Arenas mentioned something about what Simmons can do at 6'11 and it got me thinking....about Giannis and Draymond. How does Simmons compare to those two:





obviously Giannis is going to win statistical comparisons with just about everybody; he's a unicorn. But I was a little surprised that Simmons was as close as he is. And Simmons generally crushes Green statistically and that's while Green has played on much better teams which in turn tends to give a statistical bump to numbers

the TS% is interesting. Obviously none of these three guys should be shooting a lot from the perimeter. They are best in the paint

* percent of shots taken at the rim (0-3'): Simmons 54.2%....Giannis 49.4%....Green 36.2%

* shooting % at the rim: Giannis 73.6%....Simmons 71.6%....Green 65.1%

* percent of shots taken 3'10': Simmons 33.2%....Giannis 16.4%....Green 14.1%

* shooting % at 3'10': Simmons 41.1%....Giannis 35.0%....Green 30.3%

* average shot distance: Green 13.1'....Giannis 8.7'....Simmons 4.4'

(doing a full career comparison won't account for trend-lines over, say, the last 3 seasons)

of course, this isn't a full picture of the situation. There is some downside and some risk; how much is the question. But if statistical comps mean anything, for Simmons to place as well as he does compared to Giannis and Green is a little encouraging if you're thinking about Simmons on the Blazers

 

Good breakdown. Now take the skills Ben offers as his primary strengths (elite defense, elite playmaking, elite shot creation at the rim) and put them together with Dame's biggest weaknesses (defense, exhaustion from having to create so much, lack of an athletic finisher on the roll) and you have the most PERFECT pairing on paper. You can do the same with Dame's strengths (shooting off the dribble, spacing, P&R play) with Ben's biggest weaknesses (shooting, clogging up the lane, etc).

It's why I have been harping on Ben for 3+ yrs now. One of the biggest problems we have with the Dame/CJ duo is that they have very little synergy (as in they are not greater than than sum of their parts). For the most part, they have the exact same strengths/weaknesses. And it becomes tough to build the rest of the roster with those needed skills when they take up 60% of the salary cap. We would not have these issues with Dame/Ben.

I would have given up everyone but Dame to land him here years ago, but now with his reduced value, the idea that people won't even give up CJ for this guy is madness to me. He had one bad series and his coach/GM shit the bed in publicly undermining him. We have to take advantage of that.

And what is the risk here? Ben continues to be a diva and doesn't improve? The floor for a Dame/Ben led team is pretty much exactly where we are now. If we truly want to blow up next year, we can still do that! I really don't see a downside.

 

I just wish we knew what was really going on behind the scenes.

Have we offered CJ? Is Morey saying no? Does Morey want more?

 

Yep, I’m constantly wondering myself. When you have two hyper stubborn GM’s, one of whom is CIA Blackops level secretive, it could be anything going on.

 

Question?
If Philly could keep Ben by firing Rivers, would you do it?
Seems that not only Rivers through him under the bus but also hasn't been playing him the best way.

I think I would fire Rivers as he really was out of line with the statements he made which as hurt the team, potentially. Plus I feel he's one of the most overrated coaches there is.

 

That is absolutely insane for you to claim he is a Lebron James without a jump shot, like seriously.

Does his assists and rebound stats wow you that much to make that claim? Lo thanks for the laughs, this is why the Potland fan base always over rates players lol.

He has a huge body for a PG, playing PG when he easily can get his rebounds getting them over the smaller PG that’s guard him, and his assists are high because he has the ball in his hands 24-7.

How do you guys know he will be able to rebound at the same clip playing PF and going up against guys his size in the paint?

Simmons has great D and lock down D and can guard 1-4, I can’t say anything bad about his D.

I bet he comes here his number more or less resembles Nic Batum when he was here LOL. ESP the Batum that went through a horrible season when he couldn’t hit a 3 and blazer fans were calling for his head.

I know you guys are going to try to give me shit for saying that, but in Batum best season with us he averaged 5.1 assist and 7.5 rebounds playing next to Dame, Simmons will just be a better defender and put up the same stats offensively.

 

Also your wrong, go look at Draymonds stats playing 3rd fiddle on Warriors team with Steph and Klay, while doing all the dirty work. Do you guys know if Simmons will even be happy just doing the dirty work lmao.

only Simmons PPG is better than Draymond really, and that’s him being the #1 ball handler on the Sixers team lol

 

Not just "a better defender" but a DPOY candidate. I know. "LOL." Why would a team with a historically bad defense ever want that? "LOL"

 

"lol" this guy is trash.



He's no better than Batum. "lmao"

 

Sure, how is that DPOY defense going to help you when you are a huge liability on offense.
Plus how many teams are actually trying to get him lol. Not really much at all, no championship team is trying to get him, basically the Twolves are the ones I heard the most interested.

btw, Gobert the DPOY sure helped them in that Clips series when Lue actually game planed to make his defense ineffective.

 

What does all those things have to do with anything lol, just posting that he was rookie of the year, an all star and etc doesn’t mean shit in the grand scheme of things

 

one of these days I'd like to have my head buried this deep in the sand too. wonder how that feels. "lol"

(seriously tho, who "lol's" this much? are you like a pre-teen girl?)

 

Ok, can you answer me why his stats are actually worse now than his rookie year?

and while you are actually at it go compare draymond assist and rebounds to Simmons. Guess what Draymond actually has that Simmons doesn’t, balls to actually take and make a big shot, Simmons doesn’t even have the balls to take it. Plus Draymond has rings!