Trade Ben Simmons poll

Nice! These guys with > 30% AST% on <25% USG% are not easy to find but they do exist. I just had to look on the NBA stats page.



This was in the playoffs, btw.



(Check out Ben's NET rating).

 

Don't overlook the part of that article that says Simmons wants to go to a team where he is THE #1 guy. If that is true Simmons is A) delusional, because he isn't that good, and B) a horrible match with Dame.

 

Well, I mean zero compared to Simmons in Philly. Was he eviscerated for his stepping out of bounds? Not that I recall. That was the single worst, single play Blazers blunder since Drexler did one pass too many in the 1991 WCF to uncle Cliffy, or maybe that was 1990. He should have been roasted and nobody said anything, except how great his vineyards are and stuff. I've seen nothing but kid gloves from the media with CJ, they've gone harder after Dame for crying out loud.

 

If his next team has any sense he'll be playing the 4 and be their second scoring option and second ball handler. He would do amazing in that role. They'll also get him about 15 shot attempts in the restricted area. I think when you hear that he wants to be the number one option he just doesn't want to have to constantly feed a guy that dominates the paint like Embiid does so he has no ability to score. If he came here I would hope he would be our number one interior scoring option.

 

We will agree to disagree.

Ben Simmons trade value next year, no matter what, is going to be lower than it currently is if he sits out an entire year without playing. So I have a hard, hard hard time believing they’d keep him going into next year.

Unless he is playing, there is no way they can keep him beyond the trade deadline.

If it gets into next year(!) then the 76ers really have to trade him for something or else they’ve just wasted 2 years of Embiids knees, since Simmons made it clear he will sit out. And if they play chicken again, teams will just say… forgot the additional pick, the new offer is this. Take it or leave it or watch Simmons sit out for another year.

I also HIGHLY doubt Embiid is fine with throwing away this year by keeping Simmons on the team without trading him. He wants help NOW.


imagine if CJ requested a trade, sat out, and we just let it happen. Dame would probably request a trade shortly thereafter for wasting his time or demand that a trade is made because “this season matters too.”

I just can’t see your perspective at all my friend

 

Sacramento he would be the man and they can build around him. They've got young and older talent that could help Philly now.

 

Simmons for D.Fox, Jones & Metu

 

I agree with much of your reasons and overall I do expect Simmons to be dealt by the trade deadline.

The question was if Philly doesn't get quality offers would they be willing to do that crazy long wait instead of a bad trade? I think Morey would, he is a title or bust GM, and if a Simmons trade doesn't give them a better chance at a title I think they would wait, even past the trade deadline, even if it unthinkably went on an entire calendar year.

That seems very unlikely to happen though, as by the trade deadline there will be many more players available, signed free agents trade restrictions will all be lifted, and many teams that have given up on the year after losses or injuries, so I expect he will be traded by then.

But the people who are saying Morey is an idiot for waiting and Simmons value is going down every day and they will have to trade him for whatever they can get because they have no options are wrong IMO. The 6ers have options, they can wait, and I expect them to do so until they get a fair return that they think gets them closer to a title.

 

I think Davion Mitchell would be perfect with Ant and Dame if CJ wasn't here. We'd have a hole in our offense, but I'd love to see something like this:

CJ and kings pick(s) to Philly
Ben to Sacramento
Mitchell/Barnes to Portland

With that said, I value CJ less than most and like D Mitch more than most.

Lillard/Mitchell
Powell/Simons
Barnes/Little
Covington/Nance
Nurkic/Zeller

Most of our action would be based on 1/5 pick n roll and we'd be extremely dependent on Dame's health and Ant's growth, but that would be a fun team to watch on defense for sure. With Mitchell and Powell taking point of attack on defense (and having fresh legs) we could unleash Covington and Nance as help defenders going for steals.

 

On the one hand:


On the other:

 

Morey referred to the Rogers situation so I do think there is a chance Simmons and Morey strike a deal where he comes back to improve his value and they will make an effort to trade him to a team in CA by the deadline. Rogers is probably gone after this year. Otherwise he can lose all the money he wants and the Sixers will move on without him, why put off the inevitable, and wait for the best deal before the deadline.
If Ben's not getting paid I doubt his agent is?

 

Every time a Ben Simmons report happens he comes off looking dumber and dumber by the minute and his trade value just goes down if I was the 76ers I would tell him -- " you want to get traded then STFU and let us trade you but your killing your value"

All these reports and not ONE of them if I take a team fandom out of it and just be an NBA fan makes me think ANY team should trade for him if anything I would tell him go find a team in Europe or China to play for and come back once you get a clue in that pea sized friggin brain of yours. All i see is what team he might play for and other BS stuff and very few IF any reports that he is fixing his game after he made himself look foolish in the playoffs last season so again Ben Simmons go pound sand .

I want him NOWHERE near this team and at this point if the Blazers could trade him for a box of rocks I would rather have the box of rocks then this complete loser.

PS -- I was going to mention the report he wants to be traded to a team that makes him focus of the offense but that is so laughable - ROFL.

 

Maybe, or maybe not. Clutch is the most powerful agent in the NBA right now so I could see them doing something else where they even front Ben money but get it all paid back later... in the end it wouldn't cost them anything, but it would be a hell of a selling point to acquire future clients.

 

There is no way the Blazers would trade CJ for a rookie. Dame is 31.

The idea of acquiring Barnes isn't bad, but not for CJ, who is a superior player. If the Blazers do a trade it should be a consolidation trade to upgrade the starting lineup, not give up the better player.

That lineup you list will have trouble creating offense and would rely too much on Lillard to initiate everything. He might be fine for 5-10 games of it, but not for 82 games, nor the double teams in the playoffs.

 

Scotto: I spoke with one agent who reps a player on the 76ers over the weekend. He said, “If they can’t figure it out, the season’s over before it even starts.” It seems, as of right now, the best Philly can theoretically get for a win-now player in the short-term would be a deal with Portland for CJ McCollum, but Philly has had their eyes on Damian Lillard for a while, and they don’t want to settle.

Well, Dame is fully bought into Portland. He ain't leaving this year. So our continued hope should be for Dame to openly recommit even more vigorously to take himself out of any potential trade picture, while Rich Paul makes it uglier.

 

Agreed that it would be unlikely, but if Mitchell shows out in pre-season, I think he's an unusual rookie (already 24) and could be a bargain contract for several years that allows the team to take on another decent size contract and stay out of luxury tax this year.

You're right, we'd give up a fair amount of offense and be dependent on pick n roll, but we have three bigs that are competent in the short roll (Nurkic/Nance/Zeller) and would be hoping for offensive leaps from Powell and Ant. I think we would be in a better place for double teams. Still lots of shooting and Barnes/Mitchell can handle fine as well. CJ spaces the court but can't run an offense for shit.

I think that team basically has a clear #1 (Dame) and three #3 options (Powell/Barnes/Nurkic). The offense wouldn't be terrible, just not top 5 anymore. I think it could have a top 10 offense and top 5 defense.

 

If you're Morey you're used to people lying, so it wouldn't help anyway.