Trade Ben Simmons poll

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What's the most you would give up for Ben Simmons?

  1. CJ + RoCo for Simmons and scrubs

    9.7%
  2. CJ for Simmons

    62.1%
  3. It depends on our new coach

    3.4%
  4. I'm not trading for that bum!

    24.8%
  1. SharpesTriumph

    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

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    Great post. Yes I agree with it. While CJ might be the best player today that Philly can get, it doesn't make sense for them to make this trade if the goal is to contend and beat Brooklyn. Morey is a title or bust guy, so I see him risking whatever negatives happen this season with a Simmons holdout.

    I feel like Simmons camp will cave on the hold out first... if in a few months he has lost over $10 million his attitude may change. It has been confirmed Ben can never get back those lost dollars even if Philly and the new team later tried. If we are months into this and Philly says hey we will do this for years if need be can you imagine Ben still holding out? It's truly an unprecedent situation.

    Once Morey has traded Ben for a lesser starter (CJ, Hield, DiAngelo Russell) he won't be able to later flip that player for an all star the way he could if he had kept Simmons. So I agree Philly is not going to trade Ben.
     
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    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

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    What are you talking about? This is great drama, a reality TV soap opera.

    Without it we'd only hear about how the Lakers are going to win 70 games and Kyrie believes the Earth is flat.
     
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    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    ~8 min mark:



    Woj:
    - Philly seeking a "fairly elite," "significant" player for Simmons.
    - Morey still taking and making calls regularly but is maintaining a high asking price.
    - Could wait until December when recently signed FAs can be traded.

    Lowe:
    - Deal that makes the most sense is with Portland for CJ. No traction yet.
    - Minny covets Ben the most but TWolves not willing to part with some pieces.
    - Ben willing to sit out the whole season if that's what it takes to get out.

    Spears:
    - Portland/Minny/Sac/Spurs/New Orleans could get in the mix.
    - Simmons still an All Star and one of the best defensive players in the league, and it's time for one of the smaller teams that can't get star FAs to step up.
     
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    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

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    Yeah once we get weeks into this I can't imagine Simmons camp keeps holding out. They are throwing away tens of millions. Kind of amazing they didn't consider this is a possibility.
     
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    Fair point.
     
  6. illmatic99

    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    Really looking down the pipeline at guys who would become eligible to be traded in December/Jan, here were the recently signed FAs:

    - Kawhi
    - CP
    - Lowry
    - DeRozan
    - Conley
    - Hardaway
    - Fournier
    - Powell
    - Dinwiddie
    - Trent
    - Markkanen

    You also have BYC guys who were RFAs like John Collins/Jarrett Allen/Lonzo who I don't see being of much interest to Philly.

    I don't see LA/PHX/MIA/CHI giving up on their guys. Conley would be intriguing, but is he better than CJ at this point? I really don't see any of the others being the primary piece in a Simmons swap, and their salaries (even Conley) would have to be combined in a multi-player trade.

    So... again. Not sure what Morey is waiting for.
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    An implosion here or in Washington.
     
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    id wager on portland having a better record than Philly (minus Ben) by Christmas.
     
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    Off-the-wall thought. There has been plenty of speculation that if Toronto gets off to a slow start they will be interested in moving Siakim for a younger star/potential star. Morey could spin that as bringing in a stable vet presence in a win now move.
     
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    Both teams have brand new situations which means that Dame and Beal will give those new situations more time to pan out before demanding a trade. The fact is those guys are not going to be available for a long time. I don't think the Sixers are going let their second best player sit while time is ticking on Embiid's career and their season goes down the toilet. When the game's start mattering Morey will make a trade. I just hope that Neil understands that he needs to do what's necessary to get the kind of high impact player Simmons is. Since Neil didn't draft him, I doubt he understands that.

    If it was CJ and RoCo for Simmons and filler we would be so much better. Dame, Norm, Nance, Simmons and Nurk is a contending starting lineup. Our bench would still have quality guys on it like Ant, Nas, Snell and Zeller.
     
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    It would depend on what the filler is for me. If the filler is Maxey or Thybulle, then I can be talked into it. Progression from either guy would make Norman expendable and we can still improve. Any combination of Norman + all 1sts after 2022 + Little + Maxey/Thybulle + Simons surely could bring in another star quality wing to pair with Simmons or a star quality big like KAT as a PnR partner for Dame. Any other filler and I’m turned off completely. Green or Curry are immediate impacts but I prefer Norman at SG and Simons continuing to develop over either guy. No thank you to picks + Simmons as well.
     
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    CJ makes much more sense for Philly than Siakam.
     
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    It seems likely he'll just pull a DeShaun Watson... be present but unavailable, basically. Get paid and let your trade value go down as you're seen as a malcontent. He's on a long term, massive deal, and if he is traded for LESS value, then the team he ends up on will probably be better off for it (as opposed to them trading a fortune).

    I don't know what the line would be for him to do a hold in without getting fined, but it's sort of shocking he's not already doing it.
     
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    I can’t see any way that Simmons tucks tail and goes back to team. Can you imagine the tension first time he walks into a practice or locker room. I don’t see money being his driving force more ego
     
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    He's a loser.
     
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    I say he will stay a 76er until next season.
     
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    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

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    Morey is probably thinking of all stars as much or more than recently signed free agents.

    Bradley Beal, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Khris Middleton, Zach LaVine, Pascal Siakam, Julius Randle, Devin Booker, Paul George, Zion Williamson.

    Usually there are about 2 all stars/all NBA players a year that ask out, or teams rebuild, or teams decide they are better with a trade.

    Morey is probably thinking if one of those teams is horrible or some other event happens they will consider trading one of their star players. The 76ers then might have a chance acquiring such a player for Simmons. If they trade Simmons now they have likely no chance of acquiring that next star who becomes available.

    Finally Morey might even feel keeping Simmons past the trade deadline, and calling Klutch bluff of sitting out all of $35 million per year, is better than taking a lesser player.
     
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    Yeah I expect this is the next step we see from Simmons camp any day. Show up to all games to get those $250k checks. Refuse to do any practice as those fines are much smaller. When he does show up sit with headphones on and ignore everyone. Maybe he even plays 5 minutes, doesn't take a shot, cherry picks, and gets pulled. No way Doc would let that go on for extended minutes. I agree he benefits from reducing his trade value.

    It will be interesting to see what happens next.
     
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    Maybe.... but is he going to give up $30 million to avoid tension? I think when he made these threats he and Klutch thought they could get that money back, now its confirmed when he misses a game it will be gone for good. I can see them coming up with a new strategy. Sitting in LA and seeing a million dollars go away every few games might motivate Ben to approach this differently.
     
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    At this point, I suspect the PR spin is more important to Morey than what is best for the team on the court.
     

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