OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

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  1. noknobs

    noknobs Well-Known Member

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    Dr. Sanjay Gupta: Why Joe Rogan and I sat down and talked -- for more than 3 hours

    "The free will of your fist ends where my nose begins. When I said this to Joe, the MMA fighter, he paused, sat back and listened for a while. I asked him: Is it not possible to advocate strongly for personal freedoms, but also recognize the unique threat a highly contagious disease represents?"

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    "For example: Even as he sometimes railed against masks, "The Joe Rogan Experience" masks emblazoned with his logo are available for sale on his website. I even bought one ahead of time and gave it to him as a gift. He looked surprised. (Incidentally, they are made in China.)"

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    "Some studies have shown between 30 and 40 percent of people who have recovered from Covid did not have detectable neutralizing antibodies at all. That probably explains why a recent study showed that unvaccinated people who already had Covid were more than twice as likely to get reinfected as those who had also been vaccinated.

    I told Joe that even in the study from Israel, the authors concluded with the recommendation that people who had recovered from Covid still get a vaccine. And when Joe pushed hard on the risk of myocarditis in kids who receive the vaccine, especially young boys, I countered back equally hard that the risk of myocarditis has been shown to be much higher for infected children under 16 years old compared to their uninfected peers. Those numbers dwarf the risk of myocarditis in kids who receive the vaccine (and, to be sure, most cases of myocarditis can be treated without hospitalization). For me, the risk-benefit analysis is clear: Vaccination is safer than infection.

    I guess a small part of me thought I might change Joe Rogan's mind about vaccines. After this last exchange, I realized it was probably futile. His mind was made up, and there would always be plenty of misinformation out there neatly packaged to support his convictions. Truth is though, I am still glad I did it. My three-hour-long conversation wasn't just with Rogan. If just a few of his listeners were convinced, it will have been well worth it."
     
  2. Lanny

    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Did CNN say Rogan took horse dewormer to treat Covid-19? Was he given a prescription for Ivermectin to treat covid-19?

    All I can find are his claims that CNN said that, but not the actual statement or video.
     
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    You can find it on YouTube straight from CNNs channel, the video is still up with the headline “Joe Rogan has Covid, praises horse dewormer ivermectin”

    He says he had a prescription for ivermectin (for humans) from a doctor.

    It’s pretty straightforward dishonest reporting.
     
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    Here is what I can find. This all looks accurate.


    He does praise ivermectin, the CDC has said there is no evidence ivermectin works on covid-19, and it is most often used as a horse dewormer. And people were overdosing on it because they were actually buying horse dewormer.

    What part of this is dishonest?

    This sounds like them educating people to seek medical advice rather than buying horse dewormer because they heard Joe Rogan used ivermectin.
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    And this is where the conversation breaks down. I don't believe in leveling judgements on people without evidence.
     
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    He never praised horse dewormer, as the headline suggests. He was given a medicine for humans, in a human dosage, for a human disease, prescribed by a human doctor and not a veterinarian. Why is it so hard to fathom a medicine having more than one application? My dog was prescribed amoxicillin after surgery, the same drug I was prescribed after wisdom teeth extraction.

    yOU aRe TaKiNg DoG mEdicInE!!!!!

    If you are willing to go to these lengths to try and legitimize such poor and dishonest journalism, we aren’t going to see eye to eye. I honestly think you are smarter than this and are just playing some type of devils advocate role here for the sake of debate. I’m ducking out of this discussion.
     
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    Why did you and your dog have your wisdom teeth removed together?
     
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    Yes he did.
    They made the distinction to encourage people to seek medical advice rather than heading to the feed store to buy horse dewormer, because people were actually dumb enough to do exactly that and as a result were overdosing.

    It would have been dishonest of them not to bring it up. And yes, we all know CNN and FOX, and ONN, and every other news platform makes their headlines for clickbait.
     
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    You didn’t post anything to prove your point here. Amazing how two people given the same information can literally live in two different realities.
     
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    ^The irony is so thick with this one.
     
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    Most of the responses I get here boil down to little passive aggressive quips like this^^
    Great substitutes for a lack of discussion (not really).
     
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    He had a doctor on air extolling the virtues of ivermectin as a treatment for Covid-19.

    CNN pointed out that while ivermectin is in some horse dewormer, and Joe Rogan publicly said he's taking ivermectin, the CDC does not recommend you use it as a treatment for Covid-19, as there no evidence to support its use. And further, you shouldn't use horse dewormer...

    CNN did not say Joe Rogan was taking horse dewormer.
     
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    You've already flatly admitted that you ignore facts that contradict you, so what' the point? It's great you're so passionate about Joe Rogan, that's really the most important issue at the moment.
     
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    Not passive aggressive at all. It's ironic. And if you claim it as passive-aggressive and then do same, that's hypocritical of you.

    Your posts are moronic, full of irony, and have already been caught in a lie.
     
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    ^Quit your passive-aggressiveness.

    Please.

    FAMS?
     
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    "Joe Rogan Announces he has Covid; Praises Horse Dewormer Ivermectin", is a straight lie. Joe did not praise a horse dewormer. He praised a drug prescribed to him by a physician. I listened to the podcast and he was absolutely correct in his assertions about the media: How can one trust them if they are willing to lie as in his case?
     
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    They literally explained that in the video. They said it IS prescribed to people for parasites, in very small doses, but it is not approved by the CDC to be prescribed for Covid-19 at all. It does not work. Every study has shown no impact, which they listed. So the sode effects of even low doses is not worth the risk.

    Further explaining that in doses which you would receive for livestock it would be incredibly dangerous.

    This is why Joe can't actually sue them and why they haven't printed a retraction. They didn't lie. It was a clickbait headline, but it was not a lie.

    Otherwise he would already have his lawsuit in.

    I hate clickbait as much as anybody, but this is certainly no more illegal than any other media, and far less so than fox does every day.
     
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    I understand the question and agree. But why do people choose to believe all the other lies out there? There are lies or inaccuracies coming from multiple angles, yet many are choosing to accept the more likely truths than the less truths in numerous instances (I’m talking a bunch of instances and generalities, not just this particular case with Rogan).

    And I’m not opening an argument. I’m simply wondering why people choose to believe what they believe, even if evidence favors more one way or the other?
     
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