Is Chauncey a good coach?

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  1. mook

    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    On offense, Dame is a pick and roll point guard who needs to dominate the ball. It's the way he's always played. CJ likes to dribble and create his own shot. It's the way he's always played. Ant likes to impersonate Dame and CJ, because those are his NBA role models. Nurk sets screens and wants to get fed on the roll. Roco shoots 3's. None of these guys are elite at attacking the basket.

    Stotts tried to revamp the defense as well. He just threw up his hands and went back to the old system when the changes didn't work. Mostly because our guards were too short and uninterested in defending. Those problems don't change with a new coach.

    How much can Chauncey really change on either end? He can get Nurk to show more on picks on defense, but otherwise there's only so much you can do differently with the same personnel who have been playing the same way for years, who also have severe height disadvantages and disinclinations to defend.

    Portland needs a change in culture and philosophy and style on both ends of the court. It's really tough to do all that with only changing one key guy (the coach).
     
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    Fairly-Hard Former Member Gone New!

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    I don't disagree at all. A number of posters were saying this like 6 months ago.
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    He certainky will not be willing this caliber of team to many wins much longer after that.

    And he can play as long as he wants. I'll want him here. But we can count on about 2 more great years with him. Anything beyond that he'll likely be in decline and missing long stretches to keep his body right.

    It would be nice to have the best shot at winning possible over the next 2 years because we'll need another all star to compete by then.
     
  4. Rastapopoulos

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    Or Stotts's.
     
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    Rastapopoulos Well-Known Member

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    I'd just like to hear from all those people who railed constantly against Stotts for his stupid coaching, and who said that Chauncey couldn't help but be a great improvement. Are you happy? Is this the improvement you wanted?

    I will say this: so far we've been a good home team. If that stays true, that's definitely something.
     
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    Just think if this roster had significant injuries and was forced to play Snell and McLemore?
     
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    Stotts had 9 years to put his stamp on the team, and I wasn't happy with the results. Billups has had 15 games. Am I "happy" with the result? Hell no...but it isn't exactly an apples-to-apples comparison, is it?

    IMHO, all the current situation does is prove my contention that Olshey and Stotts both needed to go. I guess we all see what we want!
     
  8. TBpup

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    At least there would be a reason for the type of performance they gave last night.
     
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    We're missing the obvious: everybody wants Olshey gone and the team is playing like crap to force Vulcan's hand!
     
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    I definitely think it’s a combination of not having the roster to play the way Billups wants and players use to playing for a coach who didn’t hold them accountable. You can see Billups letting players know when he’s not happy.

    I think in order to play the way Billups wants you need some size and versatility. He keeps trying to play smaller lineups and we are getting burned. CJ or Dame have to go and we need a guard with size who can defend.

    If we can’t turn this around soon we need to seriously consider going nuclear on this roster.

    dame- star player in return 2-3 1st rounders maybe pick swap
    CJ- decent player in return or maybe draft pick
    Nurk- ??
    Roco- trade to contender get pick back


    or trade CJ for Ben and give it try ( my idea situation but think it would’ve happened by now if it was possible)
     
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    I’ve wanted to blow it up for a while so I agree with you. The roster isn’t perfect obviously but it should be playing better than this. Last night was a gutless effort and had nothing to do with roster “construction” imo
     
  12. julius

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    I think we get it, you're from the same place Nurk is..but he's in his what, 8th year? It's not coaches and teammates that are holding him back. It's him.
     
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    yes, hes my countryman and i like nurk (im also a blazers fan, even before nurk joined the team), but im his biggest critic there is

    hopefully he gets traded soon, he has nothing to gain in this team, but he can gain elsewhere

    bring in center who is servicable for the role nurk has (rebounding, screening, defense) and itd be a good fit, nurk shouldnt accept that role cause hes better than that
     
  14. Rastapopoulos

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    How do people still think this is possible?
     
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    Here's the thing, he's not. He hasn't shown it after 7 years he's not all the sudden going to change his habits. And maybe a guy who went to 5 straight conference finals, won an MVP in a finals, knows what character traits are needed to be a winning team.

    Nurk isn't that guy. He needs a reality check on his skill level. If he was smart, he'd become a defensive minded center, instead of thinking he's a point-center.
     
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    I'll do this again because it's true

    * Portland has four 6'3 & under guards in the 9 man rotation rotation
    * those 4 guards take 68% of the team's shots
    * those 4 guards use 67% of of the team's possessions
    * those 4 guards hog 67% of the payroll...and Simons will be getting a new contract next summer

    * those 4 guards rank 6th-9th on the team in defensive rating among the 9 man rotation
    * those 4 guards average 121 of Portland's 240 total minutes, over half of the minutes

    when your 4 worst rotational defenders are 6'3 & under and play half of the minutes, there's a ceiling on how good the team defense can be. We're seeing it

    * three of the 4 guards not named Lillard combine to average less assists than Lillard

    when at 67% of a team's shots, possessions, and payroll are consumed by 4 undersized shoot-first guards, with only one of those guards having anything close to all-star talent, the roster is hopelessly out of balance. Coaching won't solve it. There's only one fix and Portland has the wrong GM for that fix
     
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    Yeah, if only he were a defensive-minded center.
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    we obviously disagree

    if nurk is smart, he will leave and never look back, he can have this very same role elsewhere

    he has nothing to regret if he leaves portland
     
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    This needs to be put in front of Olshey, then his replacement, Kolde, Jody, and Chauncey every day until there is a change.
     
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    you missed the part where I said "INSTEAD OF THINKIN HE IS A POINT CENTER".
     

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