Rumor What's going on in Portland?

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  1. Hoopguru

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    Lanny, Im nearly, nearly, as old as you are and last year when I had to go visit my doc at Good Sam downtown I couldn't believe how many tents were up. And while walking to the hospital I noticed a couple needles along the way. There was a guy lying on the sidewalk that I didnt know was alive or dead so I asked the dude standing next to him if he was ok and the guy on the ground rolled over and said yeah man thanks for asking got any spare change. I gave the guy a couple bucks. I remember back in the sixties people in the same area panhandled all the time. And did drugs. Didnt see as many homeless and tents though.
     
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    few months back i picked up my mother from the train station. I parked across the street and it has a small brick wall about 3’ tall. As I'm parking, i watch a guy(mid 30’s?) with a backpack and skateboard plop down with his back to the wall, legs sprawled on the sidewalk and proceed to inject into his arm a drug. Right in daylight.
     
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    I'm sure he would have shared if you asked nicely.
     
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    pretty sure it wasn't my drug of choice…
     
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    And we're paying $40k per year for him to do that out in the public. We could put him in jail and pay $60k per year for him to do drugs there... Until he gets out and goes back to doing it in public.

    Or we could spend half to a third as much to house him and help him find treatment which would more likely be effective since it would be his choice.

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    Did he do any cool skate tricks?
     
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    im all for as this as long as he also isnt committing other crimes and it also has to be forced voluntary. Meaning he has to want it and volunteer but also understand if he fails he gets locked up.
    Ive never said I'm for locking up drug addicts for using drugs. Im for locking up drug addicts who commit crimes to support their habit.
     
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    dude was carrying it. Likely not stable enough to ride it. Lol.
     
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    Agreed. Nobody is opposed to locking up criminals for committing violence or theft. Regardless of their involvement with drugs.
     
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    I doubt that is true, but I get what you're saying. In my opinion people cannot be helped unless they want to be helped.
     
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    You doubt that what's true?
     
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    That the cost would be a half to a third as much.
     
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    Rent is only $1500 per month... For a very nice studio... $1500 x 12 months = $18k

    Homeless people cost us $40k, and jail costs more than that pretty much everywhere in the US.

    I'm not advocating that we give them top of the line studios...
     
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    i apologize if you've already posted it but where does the 40k per homeless come from? What is adding up to that?
     
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    It's a calculation including all of the excess services being homeless requires. Additional police overtime, additional maintenance overtime, emergency services, property damage, etc.

    So it's a fairly complex estimate. But it's pretty consistently around $40k for the last decade or so...
    https://www.politifact.com/factchec...cretary-says-homeless-person-costs-taxpayers/

    Here is another, but from 2017 showing a hair over $35k per person, but also showing that the cost drops around 49-50% by getting them off of the streets.
    https://endhomelessness.org/resource/ending-chronic-homelessness-saves-taxpayers-money-2/
     
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    I think the cost of $1500 per month is understated. I don't believe all of the other costs currently caused by homeless people will just disappear by putting them in a studio apt. Just my opinion though.
     
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    For some reason i cant open the politifact link so maybe it answers my questions, but how is it known that police to for example was directly spent on homeless issues and not for say monitoring protests?

    what would additional maintenance overtime entail that details time spent for the homeless?

    how is it determined property damage was caused by a homeless? is that a tally of total damage from convictions where the accused was homeless?

    how about emergency services? How do ww know the what emergencies cost how much and went directly towards a homeless person?

    What proof is there that if we put them in a house they still wont need emergency services, or police wont still be called to their residence for various reasons?
     
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    Hmm, yeah it works for me. These claims have been documented, and unrelated agencies have reviewed the data and confirmed them.

    I would imagine most government agencies know what they are sending their employees to work on. Police write reports. So do parks and rec, etc.

    Those numbers have been reviewed and verified by places like politifact, etc.

    The numbers are not disputed by anybody who has reviewed them, and there is really no reason to think police, parks and rec, contractors, or emergency services would dishonestly account more of their time toward the homeless rather than protests or whatever else... And again, upon review, it appears to check out.
     
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    We go to the Good Sam area often, usually to my wife's eye doctor at Eye Health North Weat. To get there we come down Burnside to NW 23rd down to Northrup and down to the clinic. I've never seen a bit of crud or tents or trash or anything ugly. By the way, I spent the latter part of my youth living on NW 25th and Northrup at 2522 where the mayor, Bud Clark use to live buying his house from us.
     

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