OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

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    Fact Check-VAERS data does not prove thousands died from receiving COVID-19 vaccines


    Updated to correct repeated clause and quotation in paragraph 12.

    Viewed more than 21,000 times on Facebook, a video showing data collected by the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) claims that thousands of people died from receiving COVID-19 vaccines. The video, which fails to mention that anyone can report events to VAERS and that the database contains unverified information, describes reported deaths of individuals who died after receiving the vaccine as deaths caused by the vaccine, when the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has so far found no evidence that vaccinations led to patient deaths.

    Available fb.watch/4s9aQGkDhN/ , the video in question, shared over 1,700 times at the time of this publication and titled “COVID19 VACCINES DEATH TOLL CLIMBING!!!”, shows a person scrolling through a VAERS dataset of death reports and saying, “This is the list of all the people who have died from vaccines.” The narrator clicks on random entries, including a 38-year-old in New Mexico and a 65-year-old in Ohio who were both given the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, before saying that “the vaccine itself will kill you.”

    The video’s caption links to the VAERS online database (wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html), which is run by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). The general public may report events to VAERS, and a disclaimer on the CDC website says: “The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable” (here).

    When downloading the data, users are presented with a further disclaimer that the data does not include information from investigations into reported cases. The disclaimer also says “the inclusion of events in VAERS data does not imply causality” (here).

    According to the latest data (here), 1,985 U.S. deaths of individuals who died after receiving at least one dose of the COVID-19 vaccines have been reported to VAERS. Of these, 1,016 are listed as receiving doses from Moderna, 946 as Pfizer-BioNTech, 16 as Janssen, and seven as “unknown manufacturer.” In total, 1,579, or nearly early 80%, of these individuals were over the age of 65.


    As stated here by the CDC, “Reports of death to VAERS following vaccination do not necessarily mean the vaccine caused the death.”

    Of the 145 million COVID-19 vaccine doses administered in the United States from Dec. 14, 2020 through March 29, 2021, “VAERS received 2,509 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine.” Having reviewed “available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records,” the CDC found “no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths” (here).

    Dr. Dana Mazo, an assistant professor of medicine who specializes in infectious diseases at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York, stressed to Reuters via phone the importance of distinguishing between association and causation when looking at post-vaccine death records.

    “The idea is that we are vaccinating millions of people,” Mazo said, “and, unfortunately, when you look at 96 million people, some of them might die, and they would have died if they hadn’t been vaccinated.”

    The fact that medically vulnerable individuals have had the earliest access to COVID-19 vaccines in the United States has also impacted the rate of post-vaccine deaths, Mazo said.

    As reported here by Reuters in January, healthcare workers and people in nursing homes have been at the front of the line, followed by older members of the general population and people with pre-existing conditions ( here , here ).


    In a WebMD interview here , Dr. Joël Belmin, head of geriatrics and vaccination coordinator at l’hôpital Charles-Foix in Paris, said, “In older people, due to their great frailty, a significant amount of spontaneous mortality is expected. In a retirement home, one in five people die each year. It’s therefore difficult to directly attribute these deaths to the fact that these people were vaccinated.”

    The CDC estimates that about 1.3 million COVID-19 vaccine doses were administered to residents in long-term care facilities as of Jan. 18, 2021 (here). By comparison, VAERS had received 129 reports of deaths following COVID-19 vaccination in long-term care facility residents as of January 18, 2021.

    Reuters Fact Check has previously debunked false social media claims misinterpreting VAERS data here , here and here .

    VERDICT
    Misleading. This video takes VAERS death reports out of context to falsely claim that thousands of U.S. vaccine recipients who died after getting the vaccine died as a result of getting the vaccine.

    This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our work to fact-check social media posts here .

    https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...rom-receiving-covid-19-vaccines-idUSL1N2LV0NY
     
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    Fact Check-VAERS data does not prove thousands died from receiving COVID-19 vaccines


    Updated to correct repeated clause and quotation in paragraph 12.

    Viewed more than 21,000 times on Facebook, a video showing data collected by the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) claims that thousands of people died from receiving COVID-19 vaccines. The video, which fails to mention that anyone can report events to VAERS and that the database contains unverified information, describes reported deaths of individuals who died after receiving the vaccine as deaths caused by the vaccine, when the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has so far found no evidence that vaccinations led to patient deaths.

    Available fb.watch/4s9aQGkDhN/ , the video in question, shared over 1,700 times at the time of this publication and titled “COVID19 VACCINES DEATH TOLL CLIMBING!!!”, shows a person scrolling through a VAERS dataset of death reports and saying, “This is the list of all the people who have died from vaccines.” The narrator clicks on random entries, including a 38-year-old in New Mexico and a 65-year-old in Ohio who were both given the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, before saying that “the vaccine itself will kill you.”

    The video’s caption links to the VAERS online database (wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html), which is run by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). The general public may report events to VAERS, and a disclaimer on the CDC website says: “The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable” (here).

    When downloading the data, users are presented with a further disclaimer that the data does not include information from investigations into reported cases. The disclaimer also says “the inclusion of events in VAERS data does not imply causality” (here).

    According to the latest data (here), 1,985 U.S. deaths of individuals who died after receiving at least one dose of the COVID-19 vaccines have been reported to VAERS. Of these, 1,016 are listed as receiving doses from Moderna, 946 as Pfizer-BioNTech, 16 as Janssen, and seven as “unknown manufacturer.” In total, 1,579, or nearly early 80%, of these individuals were over the age of 65.


    As stated here by the CDC, “Reports of death to VAERS following vaccination do not necessarily mean the vaccine caused the death.”

    Of the 145 million COVID-19 vaccine doses administered in the United States from Dec. 14, 2020 through March 29, 2021, “VAERS received 2,509 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine.” Having reviewed “available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records,” the CDC found “no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths” (here).

    Dr. Dana Mazo, an assistant professor of medicine who specializes in infectious diseases at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York, stressed to Reuters via phone the importance of distinguishing between association and causation when looking at post-vaccine death records.

    “The idea is that we are vaccinating millions of people,” Mazo said, “and, unfortunately, when you look at 96 million people, some of them might die, and they would have died if they hadn’t been vaccinated.”

    The fact that medically vulnerable individuals have had the earliest access to COVID-19 vaccines in the United States has also impacted the rate of post-vaccine deaths, Mazo said.

    As reported here by Reuters in January, healthcare workers and people in nursing homes have been at the front of the line, followed by older members of the general population and people with pre-existing conditions ( here , here ).


    In a WebMD interview here , Dr. Joël Belmin, head of geriatrics and vaccination coordinator at l’hôpital Charles-Foix in Paris, said, “In older people, due to their great frailty, a significant amount of spontaneous mortality is expected. In a retirement home, one in five people die each year. It’s therefore difficult to directly attribute these deaths to the fact that these people were vaccinated.”

    The CDC estimates that about 1.3 million COVID-19 vaccine doses were administered to residents in long-term care facilities as of Jan. 18, 2021 (here). By comparison, VAERS had received 129 reports of deaths following COVID-19 vaccination in long-term care facility residents as of January 18, 2021.

    Reuters Fact Check has previously debunked false social media claims misinterpreting VAERS data here , here and here .

    VERDICT
    Misleading. This video takes VAERS death reports out of context to falsely claim that thousands of U.S. vaccine recipients who died after getting the vaccine died as a result of getting the vaccine.

    This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our work to fact-check social media posts here .

    https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...rom-receiving-covid-19-vaccines-idUSL1N2LV0NY
     
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    It's a hell of a lot better than getting your "news" from Donald Trump and Mark Zuckerberg, lol.
     
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    just was on the CDC website....says mrna vaccines are safe and very effective...(.bullshit is bullshit and propoganda isn't fact..) I didn't think you liked "Woke" people?Understanding mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC
    read it all here...
     
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    The mRNA vaccines are very good for you and they actually make you younger since they're made from the souls of babies.
     
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    and my bald spot is disappearing!
     
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    And Trump got vaccinated!
     
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    The chairman and former Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of the Reuters news agency – James C. Smith – is a top investor and board member for pharmaceuticals giant Pfizer. He was elected to the board in 2014, as well as joining Pfizer’s Corporate Governance and Science and Technology Committees. The news raises serious conflict of interest concerns as corporate media outlets such as Reuters continue to promote Pfizer products, defend pharmaceuticals companies from criticism, and move to silence skeptics.

    Smith is currently the Chairman of the Thomson Reuters Foundation, the London-based charity known for providing news and information to billions of readers. He was also the President, Chief Executive Officer, and on the Board of Director of Reuters from 2012 until his retirement in 2020.

    He has worked with the organization since 1987, when they were known as the Thomson Newspaper group. He has also served as the CEO of the professional division, overseeing legal, tax and accounting, and intellectual property and science businesses. Later, he went on to lead the North America operations for the news organization.

    In an official statement at the time, Ian Read, Pfizer’s chairman and CEO said: “We are pleased to have Jim Smith join Pfizer’s Board of Directors. He brings leadership and operational and international business experience to Pfizer’s Board, and will be an excellent asset to the company."
     
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    No doubt people died after receiving vaccine. Not the same as dying from vaccine.
    First people getting vaccine were old and/ or had health problems. Not surprising some would due after vaccine. Not from vaccine. From being old and sick.
    Had a drunk driver ploughed into my car on my way home from getting vaccine, I would have died after being vaccinated but not from being vaccinated.
     
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    Astounding hypocrisy.
     
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    There are companies developing these vaccines all over the world that have no connection to any western corporate titan....Taiwan developed it's own vaccines which took longer but came to the same conclusions that other developers came to .....I don't buy the conspiracy theory angle to this pandemic...sure the companies profit during a pandemic...firemen profit during fire season...arms dealers profit during war....that's capitalism..but the public for the most part is offered free vaccinations...have any of you paid for the shot? Mine have all been free.
     
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    Again, anyone can post on VEARS. Anyone can claim a death was caused by VEARS. I can claim you are dead from the vaccine on VEARS. Are you?
     
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    it's a fact though...I was at the VA with vets in a group all waiting together to get our boosters and half of those guys looked like they might not make it through the winter before they got their shots...this is one of the intangibles about all these numbers people spout in defense of their positions. A lot of people who died were diabetic as well. Deaths were also early on covered up in nursing homes to keep their doors open as "natural" deaths when they were actually covid deaths....Nebraska had a mess with that and there are a lot of old folks homes in Nebraska. Because of pure stubborness this shit is still with us....should have capped off a year and a half ago if people didn't deny it and fight over safety measures.
     
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    https://vaers.hhs.gov/esub/index.jsp
     
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    Did you even read the 100% full liability waiver you were required to sign in order to be a test subject? Apparently not or you would not have signed it. Because no real actually approved vaccine needs a waiver because they have been tested and verified to be safe for most patients. mRNA has never had a successful test in over a decade of studies. It has not been shown to have any positive effect on protection, immunity, severity or spread. It appears to have done the opposite. Created variants, directly infected those who got the shots, causing more spread, and worst of all prevented shotgetters from achieving natural immunity, probably forever.
     
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    So much just wrong and crazy information in your post.

    Covid-19: Studies Indicate Pfizer-BioNTech Vaccine Protects Against the Most Severe Outcomes of Some Virus Variants

    The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is incredibly effective against severe disease caused by two variants, studies say.


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    The Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus vaccine is extraordinarily effective at protecting against severe disease caused by two dangerous variants, according to two studies published Wednesday.

    The studies, which are based on the real-world use of the vaccine in Qatar and Israel, suggest that the vaccine can prevent the worst outcomes — including severe pneumonia and death — caused by B.1.1.7, the variant first identified in the U.K., and B.1.351, the variant first identified in South Africa.

    “This is really good news,” said Dr. Annelies Wilder-Smith, an infectious disease researcher at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. “At this point in time, we can confidently say that we can use this vaccine, even in the presence of circulating variants of concern.”

    Previous research suggested that B.1.1.7 is more infectious and more deadly than other variants but that vaccines still worked well against it. On the other hand, vaccines appeared to be less effective against B.1.351, according to earlier studies.

    One of the new studies, which appeared in the New England Journal of Medicine, is based on information about more than 200,000 people that was pulled from Qatar’s national Covid-19 databases between Feb. 1 and March 31.

    In multiple analyses, the researchers found that the vaccine was 87 to 89.5 percent effective at preventing infection with B.1.1.7 among people who were at least two weeks past their second shot. It was 72.1 to 75 percent effective at preventing infection with B.1.351 among those who had reached the two-week point.

    The vaccine was highly effective at protecting against the worst outcomes. Overall, it was 97.4 percent effective at preventing severe, critical or fatal disease from any form of the coronavirus, and 100 percent effective at preventing severe, critical or fatal disease caused by B.1.1.7 or B.1.351.

    The second new study, which was published in The Lancet, was conducted by researchers at Pfizer and at Israel’s Ministry of Health. It is based on more than 230,000 instances of coronavirus infection that occurred in Israel between Jan. 24 and April 3. During that period, B.1.1.7 accounted for nearly 95 percent of all coronavirus cases in the country, which has vaccinated more than half of its population.

    The researchers found that the vaccine was more than 95 percent effective at protecting against coronavirus infection, hospitalization and death among fully vaccinated people 16 and older. It also worked well in older adults. Among those 85 or older, the vaccine was more than 94 percent effective at preventing infection, hospitalization and death.

    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/05/05/world/covid-vaccine-coronavirus-cases
     
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    yes...same disclaimers are on all my heart meds too and the ibuprofin in the cupboard....I've signed those waivers all three times my life has been saved by doctors....I'll bet you never signed a waiver when you took LSD or injested countless food items traveling....you thought that was beef but really it was a rodent...I'm pretty sure I had covid in Dec 2019 and didn't know what it was as did my wife...my doctor said it's highly possible so I'm probably covered as far as safety ....we're all test subjects....essentially crash test dummies everytime we drive on public roads. I've handled enough toxic crap in my younger days to mutate myself down to the bone structure.....used to spray red lead paint in the engine room of the ship I was on in the navy and cleaned my hands from oil paint with paint thinner which also goes to your liver....essentially we're cockroaches...hell Keith Richards is 80.....so much for risk eh
     
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    If vaccine is so terrible why did Trump get it?
     
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