OT Roe V Wade In Trouble

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  1. crandc

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    Previous occupant of White House, being totally unqualified for the job, had a propensity for appointing unqualified people to various posts, starting with his family members. He appointed as head of Office of Refugee Resettlement a white male with no refugee experience, a lifelong far right activist working to outlaw all abortions and all birth control. He oversaw facilities where unaccompanied minors were held, including teen and preteen girls. He demanded staff send him information on every girl's menstrual cycle. He kept a spreadsheet listing all their names and dates of menstruation, including a column with header "Raped, yes/no". The point was to discover which of them might be pregnant in order to ensure they stayed pregnant regardless of their wishes.

    One 17 year old who was pregnant wanted an abortion. The bounty hunter law had not been passed but Texas still had a lot of hoops for women to jump through. A private organization assisted her. Funds were raised from private individuals to pay for the procedure. Individuals arranged transportation. But head dude physically blocked her leaving the detention center to go to the clinic. They were detainees, not prisoners, and were allowed to leave for medical appointments. In fact he had forced this young woman to go to an anti abortion group in order to sit through a lecture.

    ACLU filed suit. The judges eviscerated attorney for the government. He tried to say that the government was being asked to facilitate her abortion when all they had to do was not physically prevent her leaving for a few hours. The judge ruled for her. A temporary glitch occurred when an appeal's court judge who had a problematic history of abusing women issued a stay so she could have more time to think it over. His ruling was so flawed his own court promptly overturned it. She was already in second trimester and more time was what she did not have. So the young woman did get her abortion.

    The government attorney who argued for forcing her to give birth is now Solicitor General in Mississippi. The one who went before the Supreme Court yesterday to argue that every woman must be forced to give birth against her will. The judge who issued the stay was rewarded with an appointment to the US Supreme Court. At his confirmation hearing when challenged on abusing women he threw a temper tantrum, cried about what a victim he was, and vowed to use his position on the Court to get revenge on those who doubted him. That alone should have disqualified him but instead he became part of the Trump/McConnell Court.
     
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    Meanwhile, yesterday. Alito said fetuses had the right to live even if not viable. Women not so much. The sexual harasser claimed that there were no rights that meant taking a life. He meant fertilized egg, not woman. In previous cases, the Supreme Court ruled that minors and the developmentally disabled could not be executed. Thomas was dissenter in those decisions. No right to life for born people. The rapist gleefully listed cases that the Court had overturned in the past. Lawyer for women pointed out that never before had the Court granted a right and then taken it away. The balls and strikes institutionalist tried to find a compromise that would restrict women but leave us a few rights under predetermined circumstances but the rest of the Trump/McConnell court wasn't having it. Coathanger argued that forced pregnancy was no big deal since every state has a safe harbor law, that allows parents of newborns to leave infants they can't care for at hospitals, houses of worship or fire stations without penalty. So the raped 12 year old, the woman battling breast cancer, the single mother working a minimum wage job with no health benefits or sick leave can just go through pregnancy and birth, no sweat, then just drop off baby at firehouse. No trouble at all.

    Sonia Sotomayor was on a roll. She pointed out to forced birth attorney that philosophers have debated where life begins forever with no agreement. She asked if there was anything other than his religious beliefs to justify fertilized egg is a person view. He didn't answer. She also asked him if there was any time when the woman's life should enter the calculation. He didn't answer that either.

    Sotomayor, Stephen Breyer and Elena Kagan all pointed out that the court was in danger of being seen as no different than a state legislature where laws are decided based on personal views only. Kagan pointed out nothing has changed since 1973 except the composition of the court. Sometimes called conservative, the Trump/McConnell court is actually radically reactionary. They are not conserving anything.

    But as the Carole King song goes, you can't talk to a man when he don't want to understand.

    Also raised as concern was that if precedent is set to overturn previously granted right it could be extended. Court gutted Voting Rights act but didn't go out and say Black people have no right to vote. Already Mississippi legislature is talking about asking the Trump/McConnell Court to overturn marriage equality.
     
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    Michele Goodwin is a professor at UC Irvine law school. She was raised upscale, private school, violin and ballet lessons. Her father never missed parent teacher conference or school activity.
    The first time he raped her was her 10th birthday. Not the last. Trauma caused severe physiological symptoms. When she got pregnant he took her for an abortion and told doctor she was wayward girl misbehaving with boyfriend. Doctor, male, clucked tongue over her bad behavior. At 15 she ran away with $10 in her pocket.
    Two things she never regretted, running away and having abortion.
    She wrote New York Times column, My Father Raped Me. Abortion Saved My Life.

    Trump/McConnell court just fine with little girls being raped.
    Probably figure they were asking for it.
     
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    Looking bad for the pro-abortion crowd. Science has since proven so many things about life begins at the moment of conception... that were supposedly unknown when RvW was decided. It's becoming apparent that nothing else was of legal value in supporting the flawed decision. And Sotomayor is embarrassing herself with her ignorance of basic scientific advancements and weak grasp of Constitutional law.
     
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    People on the right like to argue there was no constitutional foundation for Roe. If you are going to make that argument, please point me to the section of the constitution that says the internal organs of my wife, daughter, and grand-daughter belong to the government.
     
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    An unborn child is not an internal organ of it's mother. He/she is a person.

    This is the sort of ignorance and denial that destroys any credibility for pro-abortionists.
     
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    Another glaringly unavoidable hypocrisy of pro-abortionists is that they are overwhelmingly supporters of forced injections of the unsafe, unapproved experimental mRNA shots, which completely destroys their previous "excuse" of MY BODY MY CHOICE.

    They have no Constitutional, legal or moral arguments left.
     
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    who forced you to get injected? right.............I chose to get vaccinated...choices .....as to the constitution....your buddies threw that in the toilet on Jan 6th....no moral, ethical or constitutional excuse from your camp can cover up that atrocity....you should adopt disabled babies and raise them in Lapine...walk the walk...get back to us when you've started your orphanage for crack babies
     
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    Mississippi governor was on CNN this morning. He was asked about women who would be injured or killed if abortion is outlawed. He, as is usual with woman haters, ignored the question and talked about fertilized eggs
    Mississippi is the poorest state in the country. It is last in health care. It has highest maternal and infant mortality in the country. Rate for Black women three times higher than for white women.
    It's about controlling women. Not life.
     
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    I disagree. At least 20% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage anyway. He/she isn't a person until it can be taken out and survive on it's own or until the host has decided it's a person.
     
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    I laugh at his post. All these people on the right screaming women don't have a right to their bodies, then no I'm not taking a vaccine that can save me, my body my choice. That's hypocrisy.

    No one is being forced to take the vaccine. Everyone has a choice. Are there consquences if you don't, sure. But, it's still your choice.

    Like you and many others I chose to get vaccinated. I was not forced.
     
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    Your character is embarrassing himself
     
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    Life begins then but child does not. A child must be viable to be against the law to abort it.
     
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    Republicans have won the popular vote for presidency exactly once since George Bush Sr did it in 1988. (George W Bush won it in 2004).

    But here we are with a supreme court run by Republicans making decisions that the majority of Americans just don't want.

    It's not just the naked partisanship of the justices that is so depressing. It's the blatantly undemocratic nature of the system.

    If the supreme court doesn't reflect the ideals of America, it's lost legitimacy and I am absolutely fine with packing the court to make it legitimate again.
     
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    Absolutely.
     
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    Is anyone surprised he is a serial sexual harasser?
     
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    many children are born that cant support themselves for a while at first. Okay to kill them until they can support themselves?
     
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    If they've been born then the host has chosen to be a mother, and hence decided it is a child.
     
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    and if the mother didn't make that decision for whatever reason? Died during birthing, who knows.
    Just curious.
     

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