An abortion is preventing a pregnancy. Do you believe nothing in a woman's body changes when she is pregnant?
changes sure. Are those changes unhealthy though? What about a pregnancy is unhealthy and should be prevented? Lets stick with physical health. Mental health there could be an argument made for.
So let me get this straight....if a piece of mucus in the womb is alive then men who get women pregnant out of wedlock should pay child and alimony support from the day of conception...hit them in the pocketbook and they'll bend the rules...the rest of this argument is theological, not scientific....science would not encourage a damaged fetus to go to term...a religious leader would...to me upsetting Roe vs Wade is getting us closer to becoming the Taliban..
I'm not saying its unhealthy, you keep adding that. A pregnancy makes changes to a woman's body. An abortion PREVENTS those changes. They're changes that woman deems undesirable. So she has a procedure done that could be viewed as preventative care.
But if those changes don't provide a health risk but also prevents future life, the only thing not desirable is being a parent? adoption. i have to go. Work meeting. Not ignoring you if you respond and i dont until later.
ANd we're back to dictating what a woman can do with her body, and making qualifiers that there has to be some sort of medical issue, and not just the desire to not be a parent. Yes, we can respond with, if you don't want to be a parent, don't have sex, use protection, etc. But that doesn't help the discussion.
im not dictating. Just pointing out there are choices. its also a choice for a lady to have an illegal abortion vs give up for adoption.
I mean, ok? Just stating "Adoption" doesn't seem relative to a discussion about a woman's right to choose.
Abortion isn't medical care...for those who will never be pregnant. I say again, those who insist they have the right to force themselves on women's bodies, whether rapists, forced birthers, or as they often are, both, go fuck yourself.
That isnt all i stated though. I prefaced it with a comment/question. I suppose I'm trying to pinpoint why the choice is considered medical when its not. Not for those we are discussing anyhow. Its a matter of convenience. Not health risks. I think that convenience is not an inherent right. Not unless it create unhealthiness in the mother. Am i going to tell a woman she cant do it? No but do i think its an inherent right when no health risks are prevelant? Mmmm Id lean on no. There are many choice that could be made prior to that seem to be dismissed. Lets just put it this way. I believe a woman should be able to have an abortion if they desire. Ut if it is out of convenience they are some of the least respectable people on this planet. Right above murderers and rapists. Should they legally be able to have an abortion? Sure. They should be prepared for the backlash though.
And im sure they feel the same about you. Your point? Or can the adults continue discussing without your insults???
It's a medical choice in that it's a medical procedure. It doesn't have to solely be for medical purposes, however, and that's that woman's right to make that choice about her body. And it's your right as well to judge someone as just above a murderer and a rapist for making a personal choice about their body.
She said individuals who want to control women's bodies can go fuck off. You said women getting an abortion for a non medical reason are just above murderers and rapists. Is that not insulting to a woman who chooses to get an abortion for a reason you don't agree with? Why is your insult ok?
So opinions are insulting? I didnt say anyone who disagrees can fuckoff. I simply stated my opinion aNd i have no doubts there is a passive aggressive motive with her, considering you and i were having a mature conversation with no insults, no labels, no emotions taking over. But yet she felt compelled to tell people to fuck off. Im pretty sure she isn't aiming it at you, so she aimed it at me, the only other one discussing at this time. If she isn't mature enough to have a conversation about it without telling people to go fuck off, then i consider that her issue. Not mine. i stand by my post.
Opinions can be insulting, absolutely. Wouldn't most feel slightly insulted if someone had a strong negative opinion of them? If I was said to be just slightly better than a murderer or rapist for something I did, that I didn't think was a big deal, I would feel insulted, absolutely. Crandc said anyone forcing themselves on a woman's body can fuck off. I wasn't insulted, because I'm not looking to force myself on a woman's body. You've stated you aren't legally trying to either, so why would you feel insulted as if that included you?
Did she have an abortion out of convenience? Im not looking to force myself on anyone. But the meer fact she chose to insert that comment into the middle of our discussion is extremely telling. Keep in mind this is someone who goes around calling guys mysoginists without any proof based on her opinion. So then can i tell her to fuck off for that? Im not gonna get caught in a conversation about another member here. Lets just say im not falling for the immature passive aggressive bullshit so often displayed. If you would like to keep discussing abortions im all for it.
