Notice From My Cold Dead Hands......

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  1. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    I'm not saying to outlaw them. Just keep them out of kids hands
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    No. It's incredibly uncommon for anybody to be killed with an AR. Less than 400 deaths per year for rifles of any kind in the US.

    But yeah, rodent guns can kill people. And they are lighter and kick less and have less expensive rounds than the larger, more dangerous hunting rifles. So they are a popular choice for people who want to do a lot of shooting. Like say, a person interested in hitting as many people per shot as possible.

    They can buy a lot of ammo to practice with, then just used the same gun to go shoot people.

    Hunting rodents is absolutely a common use case for these rifles.
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    How do you write that law effectively? What is the dangerous part you're wanting to regulate? What components are restricted, and how would you enforce that restriction?
     
  4. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Basically, if a kid gets a hold of a parents gun and uses it to kill, like in a mass shooting for instance, they will be held responsible. They will be charged like the parents in Michigan.
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    I'm good with that in the case of Michigan. I think our current laws handle this just fine, especially considering how rare of a problem it is.

    These parents should spend a long time in jail.
     
  7. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    It happens far too often
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Sure, in a perfect world. But punishing the parents of kids who do this isn't going to change anything.

    The Michigan incident is not typical of these situations.

    There is no possible punishment worse than losing your child or having them turn into a murder.
     
  9. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    It would change things. Parents would be more vigilant regarding the safety of their guns and less of these shootings would happen.

    Not typical? It's a tale as old as time. Kid gets hold of parents guns, kid shoots up school.
     
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    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    If a kid gets a girl pregnant, should the parents be held criminally responsible? If he shoplifts and gets caught, should we throw the parent in jail too?

    If we prosecute the parents, what happens to any other kids in the family? Their brother is dead, they may have dead classmates, and their parents are now in jail. So I guess you want the siblings to go into the foster care system? How is that good for anybody?

    And it's not going to deter anything. Do you really think a parent is going to be more likely to prevent their kid from shooting up a school because they fear being prosecuted themselves? That is such a weird idea.

    If my kid seemed likely to shoot up a school, I'd lock up guns and seek help for him because...that's a fucked up thing to do.

    But if I didn't care enough about my kid to even consider the possibility, I'm not going to because of some parental liability possibility.

    Blaming and prosecuting parents is a way for conservatives to pin responsibility on something other than the ridiculous gun culture in the US. Blame parents, blame kids, blame video games, blame anything. But for god sakes don't address the one weird thing that makes America the only place where school shootings happen regularly.
     
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    And kids are about 20x more likely to be killed by their parents than by a school shooter.

    I'm thinking we solve the first problem we'll pretty much eliminate the second. And even if we don't completely eliminate the second, we'll save and improve a lot more lives by focusing on the first.

    If your 12 year old is crazy enough to kill people and wants into your gun safe he's going to get in.

    And if he can't he'll 3D print a gun.

    I still simply can't imagine worrying more about getting into trouble for my kid shooting up a school than him being in a mental state to do that, and the resulting fallout with his life.

    Legal repercussions for myself don't even factor in.
     
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    I feel like you're giving a lot more credit to 12 yo's than you should. I know that 3d printed guns are a thing, but I haven't heard any report of one being used for a crime, let alone by a pre-pubescent kid. I'm sure it's happened, but not sure it's relevant to this argument.
     
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    Guns dont have mental health issues. People do.
    Clean up our mental state and alot less of alot of bad things will happen.
    More and more i lean with @Phatguysrule in that we cant solve anything until we solve our mental state.

    now how to solve our mental state is still very complex and will take generation i think.
    Just like racism is a mental state and takes generations to try to wipe out. So likely will our recovery from our mental state.
    However to first recover, we must first acknowledge the core of the problem.
     
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    We should ask all the other countries in the developed world how they have so many mentally stable people to start. It must be nice, poof, you’re born in (insert country here) and you’ve got all your whits about you. Dear kids ages 0+: we’d love to help out with this gun crisis but first we are going to solve mental health, but don’t worry, we are checking around to see why our country seems the most fucked up.
     
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    maybe its lack of quality parenting? Parents using tvs, pcs and phones as babysitters?


    Come on man. Are you really putting people down for believing mental instability is a major issue and wanting to try to figure out the mental issue first?

    are you really this…..not even sure of the right word here….
     
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    Mental “instability” is everywhere. Never said wasn’t important. But I dunno maybe we do something IN ADDITION to that. Unless of course just America is so fucked up resulting in school shootings like we have here
     
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    The US has a unique mixture of ignorance and technology which has been very challenging.

    But the number of guns does not correlate with the number of school shootings. Idaho with half of the population of Oregon, and far more guns per capita, has had 2 school shootings since 1970.

    Oregon has had 14.

    If guns were the problem that wouldn't be possible.
     
  19. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Kids in Idaho tend to drop out by 3rd grade when the curriculum gets tough, so they don't get many chances to shoot up schools.

    barfo
     
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    It's mental health when it's a white guy. It's out of control crime when it's anyone else.
     
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