Trade Lillard now

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  1. riverman

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    Couldn't disagree more about including Dame in this...everything else is fine but that part....you won't get a proven leader of his caliber back to Portland and you'll lose a once in a lifetime leader...zero upside in my view. The Warriors shut down Klay, shut down Curry for a stretch and still built a contender around them ...that's what we need to do only we don't have a Klay in CJ.....
     
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    We don’t have Klay or Draymond. And Lillard isn’t Curry. It’s apples and oranges. We don’t even have Wiggins or wiseman or Poole. They have a ton more talent, and the talent is perfect together. If GS management had our roster, Lillard would be on the block.
     
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    Dame wants a $50 mil a year extension…this unfortunately is not an upside. It’s a huge burden to a rebuild.

    i love Dame. But Neil left too big a mess and now we must blow this ship up. All said, we need THE BEST general manager in order for this rebuild to be a success. I think we blew an opportunity to nab Danny Ainge.
     
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    No way man. Dirk is probably the best shooting big man of all time. He had some nifty handles too. You can't say Dirk played zero D and act like Dame is some defensive player himself. Dirk will always be higher than Dame in all time rankings for players. That takes nothing away from Dame. It just is the truth.
     
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    Dames extension figure is negotiable and injured even more so but I don't want Ainge...he would tear the franchise down to the studs and I don't see that as the way to taking us closer to contending....I'm keeping Dame, Norm, Nance and Nas, Smith Jr and Ant at this point and moving everybody else you can...I give Cronin till the deadline to see what he brings to the job but I like the connection he has with Chauncey and the new President of operations....the job right now is his to lose. Of the list of guys I said I'd keep, all but Dame could also go for the right deal
    we need size
     
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    We're not going to trade Dame for a better player than Dame.

    All we'd be doing would be signaling that we can't win in Portland, so stars shouldn't stay.
     
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    disagree....I always called Dirk" _irk Nowinski" (no D) .....he was a terrible defender especially for a 7 ' guy and he was a Reggie Miller shooter....rarely even dunked...Dame gets dimes and boards....and is 6'2" and an elite scorer and a clutch scorer..
     
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    Dirk was an elite and clutch scorer. He is a MVP in the league. When will Dame get MVP? Dirk also made 14 all star games. And won a title. It isn't close bro.
     
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    great career....great shooter....not a better player than Dame in my view and was never an MVP by my vote...Steve Nash wasn't either but he got 2 MVPs.......it's all good....Dirks era 7 ft with a jump shot you're an allstar. He is the unicorn Euro superstar.....I get it. Never really liked his game...Jokic is the real deal in that world to me.
     
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    I can't believe you are trying to diminish Dirk's accolades as if they just gave away all star games to jump shooting big men. Dirk was a unicorn of a player. One of the greatest power forwards of all time.
     
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    It's an opinion....you can believe it..I said Dirk was a great shooter..and here's another...I never liked Michael Jordan either...thought he was a pampered player that got a free pass to scream at refs....and Karl Malone was a great two way power forward..so was Duncan..that I won't argue
     
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    He was unarguable. I think people forget how insanely good he was in his prime. I remember that series in... what.... 2002? It was close because we had an insane collection of talent, but Dirk was lights out. It's amazing the Mavs only won one title. They were stacked for many years. The level of talent on those Mavs teams compared to the stinking pile of cow dung that have been our rosters under Neil isn't even close.
     
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    ...never trade Dame, shut him down this season. Get healthy. Win lottery. Lock this thread. /
     
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    Dirk was a great player in Texas. He was always going to get a lot of all star votes.

    I'm not saying he didn't deserve it, but being in Oregon is different than Texas.
     
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    Yes. Dirk had a TON of help.
     
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    stars don’t come!

    We’d be replacing Dame with a couple young players plus multiple picks - not for one player

    Simmons
    Maxey
    Picks
     
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    Well….we shall see what, if anything happens! Hope it’s exciting
     
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    Voitng for Dame as an All Star still makes a lot of sense because of his outstanding achievements and the comeback that he is making as his recovery from injury progresses. Remember that Dame need not necessarily play in the All Star Game even if he is voted in, which is all the more true considering his possible injury status at the time of the ASG.

    I am still voting for Dame as an All Star for the well deserved recognition that it brings and the recognition of his all NBA worthy achievements.
     
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    What's crazy to me about this trade Lillard talk is that he's the caliber player you'd be ecstatic to get in the draft.
    So we're trading a phenomenal talent who happens to be absurdly loyal (and, honestly, the most fun player to watch in many years) in hopes that you get young players or draft picks that will turn into, what? That same phenomenal talent? Basically a new Dame.

    It feels like some people just want to shuffle the deck when they're holding 3 of a kind in hopes that they get a full house with their 5 new cards.

    We could trade Lillard for the possibility of hitting it big with new talent. But it's more likely that we end up with players who aren't as talented (and certainly aren't as loyal) and the team isn't worth watching for years.

    I get that it's worth the gamble to some people here. That's a fair take. But I'm just not interested in that gamble without at least trying to do something drastic that retains Dame.
     
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    It is important to consider the optimistic outlook for Dame's career, consideriing that he is presently 31. Dame may likely still be on to a peak at age 35 of 36 as multiple talented shooters and team leaders have been. Whether Dame returns to the respectable high plateau level that we have come to expect or climbs to even higher with coach Chauncey and new GM support can surely result in being a contender given a fair chance. Let's see what the new GM, President, and Coach can put together for the rest of the season. Keeping Dame should be the priority.
     
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