again...forget about the Dame vs Dirk stuff. I don't know how it got started and don't care we'll have to agree to disagree about which position was/is harder to defend and about DBPM. I mean, based upon DBPM, Meyers Leonard was essentially as good a defender as Jrue Holiday
You said "Everyone is welcome to their own Mt Rushmore of superstars...Dirk's not on mine" - I pointed out that I did not, just took umbrage of the way he was labeled defensively.
no problem...you guys are welcome to see Dirk through any lens you like to look through....mine opinion of him has been the same for ages. I own it. If you were choosing sides for an allstar game would you pick a 30 year old Dirk over a 30 year old Dame? I wouldn't.
You mean, would I choose a guy that was selected 1st team all NBA that year and his team won at a 0.60 rate, losing in the 2nd round of the playoffs or the guy that was selected 2nd team all NBA that year, his team won at 0.57 rate and it lost in the 1st round of the playoffs? Probably the first guy, especially since he was 2 years away from his MVP season.
Insert Dirk had all the help in the world and Dame didn't argument. We love Dame. He just is not Dirk. The gap between them isn't outrageous. But, there is some gap between them in all time hierarchy.
cool...not me...Dame gets the nod from me....now the Tyson Chandler, Jason Kidd, Michael Finley , Jason Terry lineup I'd have to give some credit to for those accomplisments as well but Dame....he's my choice everytime against your guy
not everything has to be defined as an argument......it's a difference of opinion...there is no argument in this topic, just a difference in choices....you can list a million reasons for making those but if you form your opinion and voice it, it doesn't mean it's a topic of controversy unless people want to dissect it or scoff at it...it's much simpler to me.....I'm more interested in your opinion about a topic than what caused you to form it and you're more than welcome to have one different from me....I won't argue that point at all but for me Dame>Dirk without blinking..but I won't throw a bunch of condescending adjectives at your preference....I'll respect it. Drazen Petrovic over Dirk as well even though Drazen didn't get the trophies and had a shortened career....his game was as good as I've seen in the league....he was my favorite Euro player in the NBA ever.
Since when is Dirk "my guy"? If anyone here is tilting the windmills based on "his guy" it's not me. I was never a Dallas fan - nor a Dirk devotee. But he was an exceptional NBA player (as is Dame) - and overall, I think Dirk was, so far in their career given that Dame is not retired yet, a better player overall than Dame - but it is not a huge difference. He certainly achieved more in his first 10 years in the league than Dame did, both with his team and individually (MVP award). Since you put it specifically at age 30 - it was easy to compare year to year - and we have seen that the entire national press considered Dirk to be the best PF of that year. You could argue that Dame was the best PG of last year - but the national NBA press did not think so as 2 point guards were selected into the 1st all-NBA team (Curry and Luka) ahead of him. Luka is questionable, but as good as Dame's season was last year, individually, Curry was just unbelievable.
Usually when I tell basketball fans I think Dirk was overrated, they dig deep to prove how good he was....so I assume he's important to their idea of basketball greatness....other than that I really don't care about the stats but care about the heart and leadership and amazing talent Lillard has shown the world....and I also think Lillard has played a tougher era to stand out in than guys of bygone eras.....the game has changed...very few of those 89-86 scores like back in the day. The 3 pt shot is now used by most of the players in the league....back then it was a last ditch option for most shooters.Shot clock shot. Lillard has stood out in a deeper field than guys who played a decade or more ago.
Even if in a pure vacuum, Nowitzki and Lillard were comparable talents (which I don't think they were), a true stretch four, one who could shoot like top-end guard, was rarer and more valuable to roster construction than a scoring guard. Comparing Nowitzki to Korver is silly, it's like comparing Steph Curry to Korver. Korver was a stand-still spot-up shooter. Korver and Kerr were comparables. If you want to compare Nowitzki to someone, it would be Ray Allen--except as a 7-foot tall Ray Allen. Making Ray Allen 7' tall without any skills degradation absolutely makes for a better player--blocking his shot becomes essentially impossible. Passing lanes, both to and from, become much easier. And while Nowitzki may not have been a great point-of-attack defender, he provided quite a bit more help defense than Lillard by virtue of blocked shots and defensive rebounding. I think there are very few people who would select a prime Lillard over a prime Nowitzki.
Dirk NBA MVP NBA champ - on his back through brutal path 14 time all star 4 time first team all NBA 75 anniversary team
you came out of your supposed hiatus to post that garbage? foh you're not welcome back on the bandwagon.
Has Simons made Lillard expendable? I’m not saying the Blazers should do it, but can you imagine the team we’d have with all the assets we’d get for Lillard?
It’s true. Simons plus Dame’s haul is better than Dame plus Simons/CJ haul. But I love Dame so I say keep him.