The 2022 Trade Idea Thread, now with more urgency!

He is but he would 1000% do this because it's two big names and he likes that kind of shit.


I'd then make this trade with the Pacers. Norm and Larry really fit with them much better than these two guys but may not have the value. So you throw in Nurk and the Pacers get to decide what to do with his value (either keep it or flip it). It says failed but it will work in less than a week no matter what fanspo says.


For now we would have Seth, LeVert, Nas, Simmons and Turner starting with a pretty weak looking bench but I think we could get a lot out of the guys we've been playing off of the bench DSJ, BennyMac, Watford and Cody. We would actually have to sign two new players to the roster so that might have an effect on the rotation, I would switch Watford to a three year contract and then sign a standout GLeague SF. I actually think that team makes the playoffs. I also think if Dame does get surgery that area heals really fast, if that tendon he is having problems with is torn and needs surgery the recovery time is 4-6 weeks. So I think Dame would be back for the last few weeks of the season and then a playoff showing.

Dame, LeVert, Nas, Simmons and Turner with Seth as our sixth man and BennyMac, Watford and Zeller could make a good showing in the playoffs even if we didn't make it out of the first round because we were playing the Warriors or Suns but I think we'd be a team that no one would want to see. That's a lot of athleticism, defense, shooting and smart ball players. A helluva team returning next season. Sorry if you don't see the value in Turner but I've watched a ton of Pacers games and he gets good positioning but loses a lot of rebound (or some would say gives them) to Sabonis.

 

It's kinda funny how much Reddish is getting overrated as a 3&D guy just waiting to breakout. Here's what KOC said about Reddish in his article I posted earlier: "Anything short of a player of Simmons’s caliber should not be considered for Reddish, no matter what money he might demand more than a year from now. Many other teams want him because he could be worth it."

Reddish (age 22): 24 min, 12 pts, 2.5 rebs, 1.1 ast, 1.0 stl on 54% TS, 13.4 PER
Little (age 21): 25 min, 9 pts, 5.6 rebs, 1.1 ast, 0.8 blk, on 56% TS 13.4 PER

Reddish's advanced defensive metrics have absolutely tanked this year, while Nas rates better than him on quite a few values.

Think our guy could have similar trade value, if you look at the numbers.

 

I think KOC annoys me the most out of all of them. Complete goober. I remember when he was telling everyone last year that Aaron Gordon was the missing piece. His valuations are so off!

 

If we could pull off those two big deals and signed Watford to a three year contract we would go into the off season with Dame, LeVert, Nas, Simmons, Turner, Seth, GB3, Watford and a second rounder that we'd probably pay just 1M signed for next season. That's nine players signed for around 134M counting our dead cap. The luxury tax line is going to be 145M next season.

So if we signed 4 players to minimum deals that would put us around 142M. We could at that point use the full MLE which would hard cap us but give us a chance to get a real impact player with a contract that would be at 10M in the first year. With the right player for the MLE and the right couple of vet min guys in the rotation we could definitely be contenders next season.

 

I don’t know for sure he’s not. I’m hoping he tells us he’s not so the decision to trade him is obvious. But I guess that’s the disconnect, I would trade him regardless on if he wanted to re-sign or not because we can get more assets from him gone than keeping him. But that’s my opinion. I’m not anti-Nurk, just I’m definitely also not pro-Nurk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

 

Giving up 5 firsts and two players for two players? Talk about selling the farm.

No thank you.

Olshey already sold our future for role players. Little & two firsts for Turner. No thanks. Don't see enough there to justify that cost. CJ & 3 firsts for Simmons? He's a definite upgrade from CJ but that is mortgaging our future for hoping Simmons works out.

Not a fan of selling our future. Not sure where we're going to get all those firsts anyway, not sure we have many available right now.

 

I agree with virtually everything you said but realistically I don’t see how he works unless you’re offense is the same as GS. He fits perfectly into their system. What Portland runs and with Dame he only works in the PnR. Dame needs the ball in his hands and doesn’t cover the floor off the ball anywhere near what Steph does. GS is predicated on ball and man movement with PnR. Portland is PnR to 1 on 1. That’s the strength of the players.

I think with Dame you have to put a team more like the Raps with a bunch of interchangeable 6’7” to 6’10” defensive shooters.

 

I still think Dame can play that way if healthy, and Golden State's system would be perfect for the lineup I proposed if he could.

 

Trade RoCo and a 2nd to Chicago for our first back. Then we have all our 1sts.

 

Lillard for Jason Tatum.

 

Neither team would do that, but it would be interesting both ways.

Dame/Brown in Boston
Tatum/Little/Ant in Portland

Interesting....

 

The only reason would be the emotional part of it. It is good for both teams. Lillard and Brown and one more piece and Boston is in it. Portland goes Young but with talent in Tatum, Little, Simons etc. but gotta have balls.

 

I’d do it in a second.

 

think we might get brown but not tatum.

ant's recent play makes it reeeeallly tempting, not gonna lie

 

I’ll say this, I’m a lot less worried about a Dame trade request than I was in the summer. He’d probably be doing us a favor if were being honest. Still, I would only trade him if he wanted out. He’s earned that. And who knows, maybe he’d be ok with a rebuild around him. We already have a couple really nice young pieces, not sure a complete tear down is even necessary

 

Also fine with me. In fact might prefer it

 

Yeah Ben, Maxey, and 3 1sts for Dame doesn’t sound so bad now. Combine that with all the assets from CJ/Cov/Nurk/Norm and we pretty much have an accelerated rebuild similar to Memphis and we’re in a much better position than the thunder.

Guess I’m okay with whichever direction we go now.

 

I remember people saying similar things the first year CJ started and had some big games..."trade Dame and keep CJ!". That died in a hurry. Of course it was 5-6 years ago when Dame was 25

I think Simons has been playing well, but I don't think it's sustainable. He's going to get scouted. Still, he's been impressive and has shown he has more upside than being a one-dimensional player. Still sucks on defense though, but that's a Blazer standard

 

I personally like Tatum with Ben more. I would even consider taking less picks or young players if we get Tatum. Tatum and Ben, at least reputation-wise, are just as good as PG and Kawhi defensively. Ivey is still at the top the lottery, or we can get one of the bigs if you believe in Maxey.

 

Fine by me, we lose more games and we lock up up for less money. Chauncey can still turn this guy into a legit PG. And I’ve seen enough development on defensive side of the ball to be confident he will be average or better on that end soon.