Ahh reminds me of the Raef LaFrentz Golden Ticket. Most likely it will have the same fate, expiring unused, with the team saving payroll $
TPEs can be used to absorb a salary in a trade up to the value of the TPE. That's all there is to a TPE. So anything you send to the team along with the TPE has to be viewed as a separate deal. Picks and in our case rights to picks can be traded without any salary coming back.
Okay, that’s more clear. Larry Coons speaks of trading a pick to a team and receiving a player that fits into the TPE, but that’s largely semantics as to whether it’s one deal or two. So, let’s look at the Grant situation. Reportedly, the Pistons have been asking for 2 first rounders or a first and a promising young player. Nobody has been willing to pony up that much for him so far. The Blazers had been hoping that they would get the Pelicans’ pick and that it being a lottery pick would be sufficient to entice the Pistons to part with Grant. That plan blew up. So what’s the fallback plan? We all agree that giving the Blazers own pick is too much for Grant. So, it looks like they could offer the 2025 Bucks pick, but they would have to sweeten their offer with either another pick or a young player who the Pistons might value. Let’s say the Blazers would be willing to include Little in the package. They would have to structure this as two trades: Grant fits neatly into the TPE. Little and the Bucks pick would have to be a second trade for a Pistons scrub or two who would fit into Little’s salary. The Pistons would also end up with their own TPE as a result of not getting any salary back for Grant. Do I have this right? Edit: Just to be clear, this is a hypothetical example, not a proposed trade.
as I understand it, you're essentially correct Blazers would trade their pick for Grant (one trade). He'd fit into the Blazer TPE and because Detroit traded away 20M in salary they'd get a 20M TPE; which they then could use to absorb Little. The only thing I'm unsure of is my understanding is that each team in a trade has to send out something if a salary is involved. That could mean that the Pistons would have to send an asset to Portland but that could be a 2028 top-55 protected 2nd round pick
The thing about a TPE is that it cannot be combined with anything else from the team that has it and is using it. So when you send something with it that has to be considered a separate trade. So you can't get a player who costs more than it because that player's salary obviously can't be broken up across more than one trade. You can send picks with it because there is no rule that I know of against giving away picks. Someone earlier said they think that you can't give something away with no return but if that's in the CBA it's semantics because picks are sold all the time so the trade could be a pick for a dollar in return.
Too bad the free agent class is weaker this year. The TPE could be a great bargain chip to help open up room for another team to sign a free agent. Maybe some team will get desperate for cap space, so start of free agency seems the best time to use it, otherwise others said it best it’s the new RLEC.
Also let's remember that when they don't use it or cap space in the off season, it will remain valid all the way through to next year's trade deadline, so we'll get to hear about its potential value for the majority of next season too, until it finally expires.
This could be one trade, Little and the bucks pick for Grant. From the Blazers end they receive grant for the pick. They send out little in a separate trade creating a new trade exception. The Pistons structure the trade as a single trade of grant for little and a pick. The teams can each structure the trade differently, so one team can view it as multiple trades while the other team views it as one trade. Edit, now that I think about it not sure if restrictions of bundling little for the TPE... Maybe some of the above is wrong.
I'm thinking it would have to be two trades. TPE's aren't traded; they are essentially a trade credit. Both teams would be sending an asset in the first trade. Portland a pick and Grant sent by Detroit. Then the league office approves the trade and the 20M TPE is created for Detroit. They use part of that to accept Little, but I'm pretty sure that Detroit has to send an asset to Portland. Like a future t0p-55 protected pick. I don't think just sending some cash meets CBA requirements. That Little trade could be agreed to and then completed after the moratorium. That way the Blazers would create a 4.2M TPE instead of a 2.3M TPE
Maybe we facilitate to get an additional draft pick? Say a team trading a PF didn't want to take on Robinson, and would prefer a TPE and 1 pick. We take Robinson and, say, the 2023 pick. Maybe we see if Chicago takes that guaranteed pick for our own lotto protected pick back? I dont love Robinson, and he's overpaid. But still a great shooter
And then see if you can trade the #16 for Jerami Grant. I would definitely do that trade even though I'm no Grant fan.
Maybe it’s just because it’s a different person, but I’m excited for the different approach this off-season. Hopefully it’s more creative, if not successful. If we miss we miss, but it needs to be different
My hopes for any meaningful change went out the door when we lost the Pels pick. I think so much of our potential in the offseason was tied to having two lottery picks. I hope I'm wrong and just disappointed, but I'm setting myself up for the Blazers being in pretty much the same position they were the last couple of years come this fall.
Wow you think the Blazers will be in the same position as prior years? That would be a hugely successful offseason. I'm not expecting such an accomplishment. Based on having no current assets except the pick and a void of starters as when LaMarcus left.... I'm expecting us to have a much worse roster this fall.
Guess we need Simons to bust out as CJ did, sign Aminu and Ed Davis valuable vets, trade our pick for a Plumlee veteran, trade for an overlooked rookie Harkless, have the Clips lose multiple postseason starters. Then maybe we can back out way into a few postseason wins while having no real shot at contending, later grossly overpaying veryone in 2023.
