It’s our best move. Nas is too fragile - another Collins. If we bring back Grant and keep our picks - it’s the best business move.
uhhhh....I don't think the TPE exchange works....not with including Little because as far as I can tell, the Pistons don't have an active TPE. It's true the Blazers could take Grant with their TPE, which would create a 20M TPE for the Pistons. They could then take Bledsoe with that TPE, which in turn, would give Portland a new 19.3M TPE. Essentially, the Blazers could add Grant for just 1.5M of their big TPE but I fail to see why the Pistons would do that. If they dumped Grant, they would have substantial cap-space AND a 20M TPE. Taking back Bledsoe would effective wipe out their TPE and cut 20M off their cap-space. For Bledsoe?
They could trade Grant for Bledsoe/Nas. On their end, it would just look like a standard simultaneous trade. On our side, it would in fact work exactly as HoopsFanAZ said. Detroit can't have cap space and a TPE--they can have one or the other. Theoretical reasons why they might take EBEC? a) to trade him at the deadline; b) because they really like Nas, and that's the condition we put on his inclusion in the deal. Neither seems particularly likely to me though.
IMO, it would depend on how much of Bledsoe's contract can be traded. If he can be traded for the full 2021-22 salary, it has a good chance of being used. That would have to be before the moratorium. If 2022-23, I see little chance since the receiving team has to have enough cap space for the entire contract while we only can accept salary back up to the guaranteed amount. Would love to see the Milwaukee pick and Bledsoe for Grant. Not sure I am high enough on him to give up our pick this year regardless of where it ends up. Would be ok with the TPE and Milwaukee pick.
so, what you are saying is that Portland trades Bledsoe + Little for Grant. That basic trade meets CBA parameters, so green light from the NBA front office. Next, each side structures the trade to their advantage. Piston's make a single trade (maybe not). Blazers go the non-simultaneous route and absorb Grant with their TPE. They then build a new TPE of 23.5M because they traded away Bledsoe and Little with no salary coming back. Do I have that right? (that would be a nice trade for Portland because they could increase their large TPE from 21M to 23.5M while bumping the expiration date from next February to next June. Assuming I'm not getting the CBA stuff wrong. Of course, it being a nice trade depends on your opinion of Grant and assumes the Vulcans would be OK with adding up 23.5M in extra salary with all it's tax implications) I misspoke on the TPE + cap-space for Detroit. They would have the option for either still doesn't explain why the Pistons would want to absorb Bledsoe. They could have Bledsoe's expiring contract...sure. But I'd think it would be much better for them to have Little + a 17M TPE + the draft pick
in what context? in the 'who want's Grant anyway' context? in the 'Little + Milwaukee pick is too much' is too much context? both? I'm not a fan of adding Grant, but if the cost is just the Milwaukee pick + Little, while significantly improving the big Blazer TPE, I'm fine with it. Little is way too injury prone. If the Blazers get the 3rd option Grant, they are getting a solid player
Like I said, the only real reason would be if they really liked Little and wanted him in return for Grant, and we said that the only way we'd send Little was if they took Bledsoe as well. Now, I can't see Nas having that much trade value, but it's fun to dream I guess.
yeah, I agree if Portland still had the leverage of the 11th pick they might be able to force that deal. As it is with the Milwaukee pick they might not get Grant in any event which of course brings back the worry of Cronin trading a 6th-8th pick + the TPE for Grant....geeeeezuz no!
I think the absence of the Pels pick makes a Nas+MIL25 for Grant deal, exclusive of Bledsoe, much more likely than our FRP being used for that. Cronin has to value our pick more highly than that, right? RIGHT?!
In the context of "too much if you add Little" . I think Little will be as good as Grant. I still want Grant for the TPE and Milwaukee's pick (and maybe a 2nd) But IMHO including Little as a throw-in because of injury-prone concerns would be short-sited. Half of his "injuries" have essentially been an illness. (Dehydration and Covid) His current labral tear is certainly an injury, but it is unlikely to re-occur. Little has way more upside IMO than Grant. He weighs more and has about the same wingspan. (7'2 vs 7'3") And of course, he is younger and cheaper. I do not want him thrown him in unless the player is much better than Grant. (i.e Siakam)
The notion that we would give Little plus the Bucks pick for Jerami Grant is absolutely laughable. Nas is better today. And for everyone counting Nassir out because of injuries, the same could have been said of Steph Curry.
when the Blazers lost the Pels pick and were left with just the Milwaukee pick the forum went ballistic while claiming that the pick had very little value. We all know that's true so I don't need to boot up all the tantrum threads about the Blazers just being left with the Bucks' pick now, when discussing trading that pick, it's morphed into having dramatically more value than it did the night the Pels won 8th seed. Funny how far the goal posts move depending on the situation. I understand the dynamic of course and have contributed to it in the past: that being that we talk ourselves into believing Blazer players and Blazer assets have a lot more value than the 'real' world proves they have, time after time. If somebody doesn't want to trade Little for Grant...that's fine. And, if somebody wants to argue that 1st's have more value that Portland has assigned them lately (as in 3 first's for RoCo & Grant), that's fine as well. But Little simply doesn't have the value to be held untouchable in any trade discussion.
I don't believe anyone is saying Little is untouchable in any trade scenario. At least I certainly did not. Just for someone like Grant. Maybe Detroit can get more than what we are offering, but I don't think we are giving enough value to the TPE. Wiping 20 million off their roster might be the real prize for them. I know they have said they want to be a player in Free Agency this year. Granted there were some tantrums after the Pels beat the Clippers, but nothing more than what happens here on a regular basis.
I admit to greed. Hoping to get a larger, newer TPE and Grant for a semi-distant, non-lottery 1st (which I still like to have) and a shorter SF for a combo-Forward … AND EBEC is actually used … Greed. As I admitted, trading Little for Grant has detractors. Agreed, Wiz, that Detroit would more likely want Little, the Bucks Pick, and getting a sizable TPE. Grant plays his game, now. IMHO, Little gets closer to that good, overall, in a couple years … and the pick in 2025. Agreed, my prediction is unlikely … but there’s a chance, right …
According to who? Let's relax with the blanket statements. A first-round pick is a cheap, affordable asset for any team looking to rebuild. Is the Bucks pick less in value than the lottery pick from the Pelicans? Sure. Is there much of a difference between the Bucks pick plus our 2 2nd rounders and the Pelicans pick? I'm willing to bet, not as much as you'd like to think. For a team that doesn't have Grant in their plans for the future, I think Portland with those assets is a likely destination. The Pistons were looking to trade him before the deadline and couldn't find a taker for the value they wanted. Who said anything about untouchable? Let's not forget the praise Lillard, Cronin and Billups have given Little this season. He was a top-line prospect coming out of high school and should be treated as such, in light of the production he offered this season. He was a game-changer. No question. We really pulled the plug on the team once he got injured this season. If you want to question whether he can stay healthy or not, that's fine, but that's independent of his skill level and his trajectory as an NBA starter.
Nothing explains this dynamic like RoCo being worth two 1sts and then RoCo+Norm being worth less than one!
