OT Roe V Wade In Trouble

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  1. ABM

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    Indeed.

    That said, I personally think there should be exceptions/alternatives for health of mother, rape, etc., outside the control of the mother.
     
  2. ABM

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    I think I already answered that. Everything possible should be done for the care/welfare of those children.
     
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    Will people pushing for that have your vote this time?
     
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    Even in a perfect world, where rape was non-existent and birth control was universally available and never failed, and everyone had access to comprehensive health care, and all children had nutrition and good schools, abortion would still be necessary. Although much less.
    The world is far from perfect. And opponents if abortion oppose all the above.
    It's about punishing women.
     
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    unless of course you were assigned a gender at birth and later decide that you don’t identify as that.
     
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    Republican congressman Murray of North Carolina just said abortion is not needed because there is no such thing as rape.
    His exact words: no one is ever forced to have sex.
    Punish the whores.
     
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    He'd be absurd.
     
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    I agree on those situations, although they make up less than 5% of all situations. Most women who get abortions just decide they don’t want it, in which case they should decide before a certain point. Late term abortion over a lifestyle choice is honestly gross. It’s a viable human long before it exits the womb.
     
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    The vast majority do decide before they become late term abortions.
     
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    Less than 1% of abortions occur after 20th week. In other words, over 99% of abortions happen before the woman is showing.

    https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/abortion.htm
     
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    This is another case of government overreach, punishing all Americans because of horrible abuses by only a very small fraction of people, which negatively impact a similarly small fraction of people.
     
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    Late abortion isn't an abuse. It's medical emergency or severe fetal abnormality.
    No woman, despite what misogynists say, sits around for 8 1/2 months and then decide to have an abortion because she has a little headache.
     
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    I agree 100% about late term abortions. It would be crazy to do as you describe.

    But the idea that abortion is never abused is wrong. It just is. I've known people who have abused it and used it as birth control. We can be honest about that.

    That's not the way it should be done. Claiming that it never happens makes the point you're trying to make seem less trustworthy and opens it up to be picked apart (not you specifically, but as a general statement).

    But making a law that restricts all Americans because of the actions of a very few, which impact a very few is wrong. Especially when there are alternatives which can be more effective.

    There are shitty people out there, and they abuse every institution and law we have. But they are a very small fraction. A fraction that is best handled at the individual level.

    Education and improving the social safety net, as well as increased access to healthcare are the best solutions for society to address these concerns.

    Problem is, those things also make the population harder to take advantage of.
     
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    People could abuse anything, I suppose. Not sure what constitutes abuse if birth control or abortion unless you mean trying to force someone.
     
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    But she said abuse of late term abortion never happens. Yes. Some people use it as birth control. That(used to be) their right. But anyone doing that isn't carrying the fetus for 8 months.
     
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    I hate even posting about this as it could be used to further the cruel cause, but a lady my mother grew up with (was a family friend when she was younger) had an insane number of abortions because she refused to use birth control.

    She was generally into some really bad stuff. Hard drugs, prostitution, shoplifting... I can only imagine what else.

    We know of over half a dozen abortions for sure, because friends and family helped her get them done. She should not have been getting pregnant, but I guarantee you that every one of those abortions was the right decision.

    Her children were all taken by the state, thank goodness. She OD'd in a hotel room near Roseburg like 10 years ago.

    Horrible situation. But these rare and tragic people are who the right will hold up as an example to support restrictions.
     
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    Agreed.
     
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  20. Chris Craig

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    Late term abortion is a basically a fearmongering myth created by the right. Across the board pretty much everyone agrees against late term abortion unless it's a life threatening emergency. Outside of that small percent, they don't exist. They don't happen.

    By that point a woman has decided she's having the baby. The great majority of abortions are early ones.

    And it should be up to a woman to decide if she wants to continue with the pregnancy or not at that point.
     
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