Free Agent Gary Payton II to the Blazers

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  1. AmirIcon

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    I'm a big Nurk and Hart fan, but this is a clear upgrade that makes us much better in the now and the future.
     
    AmirIcon, Jul 1, 2022
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    I think you corrected yourself but trades like this using Bledsoe to match are basically off the board now.
     
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    Hard Capped due to the GP3 signing, so this is no longer correct.
     
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    This is why I get so triggered by sign and trades. You can NOT sign and trade your own free agent like a player under contract. In order for this to happen, Ant would have to back out of his deal with Portland and then meet with Brooklyn, without our suggestion of doing so, and then not only agree to a contract with them but then also get Portland and Brooklyn to work out a trade. On top of that, both teams would be hard capped (Portland from GP2, Brooklyn from the sign and trade) and both teams would have a very difficult time staying under that hard cap line.

    Contracts can get backed out on but not an agreed upon trade in order to then try and sign and trade that same player elsewhere. Not gonna happen.
     
    hoopsjock, Jul 1, 2022
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    What good are Bird Rights then?
     
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    Exactly. And this happens all the time. The idea that we can't trade Simons til January when we haven't even signed him yet is ridiculous.
     
    KSF-ERIC, Jul 1, 2022
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    For when you aren't hard capped. In this situation, prior to the GP3 signing we could've signed Nurk to a max if we wanted to. Now, it's around $18 million if we simply cut Bledsoe and a little more if we cut and stretch Bledsoe, but the closer his contract is to that $18 million the less wiggle room they have for the entire rest of the league year.
     
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    It happens all the time? So then you should be able to site other times where a team's own free agent agreed to a deal with that team, then backed out of a deal and talked to another team that just happened to be the one team his old team needed him to talk to and a sign and trade was worked out?
     
    hoopsjock, Jul 1, 2022
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    Happens all the time... And the word is "cite."
     
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    Then name one time? Should be easy.
     
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    There's too many. I don't want to be Captain Obvious.
     
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    PDXFonz I’m listening

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    Name one Eric!

    Name the most recent one you can think of.

    Doesn’t happen that often.
     
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    after reading the warriors reddit they are really sad and angry hes gone.. some even saying" I hope that poverty franchise gets moved". they are pissed at us for not understanding what we acquired.. but they don't seem to understand how many guards we have.
     
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    I like the player. I think he could develop into a crowd favorite. A hustle guy that plays D. Let’s see how the rest of off-season goes.
     
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    It’s gotta be Ayton imo and honestly I’m pretty torn on that.
     
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    Remember when we had Payton before and let him go? Good times.
     
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    Really hope not - Hart was about the only bright spot last season and he's such an easy guy to root for.
     
    Rastapopoulos, Jul 1, 2022
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    Extra positive - we get Mike Rice back!
     
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    As of right now I gotta think best case realistic scenario in Cronin’s head has to be some package of Hart/Nurk for Ayton.

    Dame
    Ant/GP2/Keon
    Nas/Winslow/Sharpe
    Grant/Watford/Walker
    Ayton/GB3

    I don’t know if that’s better than years past or not.
     
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