Zombie This is an epic disaster.

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  1. oldmangrouch

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    Dame Hart Ant and Payton are balanced offensive and defensive rotation guards...Sharpe is a first year rookie...he's a practice player who will get garbage minutes...Hart Winslow Nas Watford can all play SF Payton, Winslow and Hart can guard mulitple positions...as to the cap...Jody is not in it to save money..she's flush with cash from liquidating Paul's estate...she wants to win..things are good...we've got Grant, Brown, Eubanks and Winslow or even Watford who can play the 4....you're going to see Hart play the 3 with Payton at the 2 often when either Dame or Ant rest...as far as minutes...that's on Chauncey..he'll figure it out but people think Sharpe will get minutes ...I don't other than garbage time...why are fans worried about the cap? Contenders never worry about the cap and if want in that conversation, neither will we....we can also shed some bench guys before the season starts.
     
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    Hard capping the team for Payton was not a "need."
     
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    Would have been way better off convincing Philly to trade Thybulle into our TPE.
     
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    Underwhelming but not a disaster IMO as someone else just posted. However, IMO this team will likely be more fun to watch but it's likely at best a 7/8 seed and will make no headway in the playoffs if we get there. That performance could easily lead to Dame being traded at the deadline or next summer. I hope Dame comes back all the way and has a great year boosting value. I hope Sharpe can make some noise and Nas can stay healthy. My bottom line for me is I want to see more TEAM ball and defense, and I think we will get both next year so I will tune in, we'll see
     
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    Payton was a need....the cap is there to be used.
     
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    I'm hoping Sharpe balls out in practice forcing Chauncey to have to find playing time for him.
     
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    I was going to type out a detailed response, but what's the point. You already know that using Hart and Payton that way flies in the face of our need for more size. You already know Winslow has had chances with multiple teams and has failed to hold a job. You know that Little can't stay healthy.

    Thoughts and prayers, hopes and dreams. I no longer believe in any of that.
     
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    I think they see Sharpe as a Small Forward, emphasis on Small. That's my hope as well actually so we can have Dame, Simons and Sharpe on the floor together.
     
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    I think you get the point I’m trying to make, but In case you don’t. Here we go:

    Boss says we need to fire 5 people from this department. Boss says we need to cut costs by 250,000.

    Manager says: Ok… here’s how we’ll do it. We will hire 6 more people and increase costs by 300,000.

    Boss: Uh, what the fuck?

    So in the analogy:

    Boss: We need to rebalance the roster, get more size and length.

    Cronin: I got an idea. Let’s get MORE guards, less size and length.

    Boss: Uh, that’s… not working towards the goal…

    Cronin: Yeah, but this isn’t an overnight thing. So you see, getting smaller, shorter and more guards will help us eventually towards our goal.

    Boss: what the fuck drugs are you on
     
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    Sharpe has a tall reach and will get some play at 3 also.
     
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    I know what Winslow and Hart looked like with Ant and Nurk and I liked it...Little I agree is a risk..other than that you are sure free to not believe in the sum being bigger than the parts but I think we've got players who can guard 4 positions that you think are undersized...and a guy who leads the league in steals...just won a championship guarding top tier players. I'm going to enjoy it!
     
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    Payton: 3 years/$28 mil
    Rubio: 3 years*/$18 mil. (*sounds like the 3rd year is an option)

    Be honest - why is Payton worth that much more than Rubio, who is also a good defender and an above average playmaker.
     
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    Your first example isn’t exactly accurate.
    It would be Grant > Roco + Nance - an overall loss in size + length. I agree with your equation as to who the best player is… but we lost two to gain one.

    Length and height is definitely down.

    And we still could’ve tanked last year since Dame was hurt and we clearly sucked without him.

    As far as what I’d do in retrospect. I’d definitely swap CJ for Grant and Hart.

    I’d find different Roco / Norm / Nance trades that at least brought us someone 6’7 or taller back.

    But like I said. The decision to blow it up isn’t the issue. It’s the fact they’re moving further away from the goal of becoming “taller, longer and more balanced.”
     
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    That's a bad analogy. The issue was not cut costs, it was rearrange the costs in a more efficient manner.

    The correct analogy is something like:

    Boss: We can have 13 to 15 workers. We need to produce as much goods in multiple categories and be able to store it and ship it. We currently have excellent production (offense) but we are poor at shipping (defense). We also have a very good production employee (CJ) but he takes a lot of space for his production and gets in the way of another production employee (Ant)

    Joe: Sure, I will replace the very good employee with the other employee that now has more space to produce, and in his place we will get someone that can do more shipping (Hart). They will cost about the same.

    Boss: That's great. But we also have our excellent employee coming back from vacation (Dame), He produces a lot of goods, but requires a lot of space and is not great at shipping.

    Joe: OK, I will get this guy that can ship a lot of stuff for not too much space. (GP2)

    Boss: Well, we still make so much stuff that we have to store some of it on the top shelves - so we need to get tall employees so they can put it there and give to the shippers / help the producers.

    Joe: Well, the job market has dried, could not find someone like that. Maybe in the winter we can exchange some of our junior interns for a longer helper.

    S2: It's a disaster.
     
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    would be good for the team if he won the spot because he'd have to be a damned good quick study for that to happen.
     
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    Don’t you mean his Championship Winslow? He’s gonna be huge for us this season.
     
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    My wish list early on was to move Nas and Ant for a PF and a SF.....these are the guys I'd consider using to upgrade our size...didn't happen and might still be possible at the deadline but doesn't look llike the front office sees them like I do. We'll see. Right now we need ball handlers like Ant
     
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    The bigger ticket stuff I actually agree 100% with you. I think the world might be ending.

    I have a huge disagreement though. And that’s the bold. That’s not a small ticket thing. That’s a HUGE change that needed to be made and the fact Cronin addressed this IMO is indicative that it’s a major overhaul and big deal.

    Finally, yes. Our wing defenders/perimeter defenders are better. But they’re all short. LeBron will shoot right over top of all of them. No problem.
     
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    I’ll disagree with not being “more balanced” across the roster (on talent and fit and D) BUT absolutely in agreement about still having a lack of length and height playing at SG and SF. And no quality, back-up BIG! It’s ONLY July 1 … which will be revisited on August 1 as it SHOULD be.

    [Hart and Little and a 1st (and more) to get an actual, good-sized SF who is 3 and frickin’ D]
    :banghead::banghead::banghead:
     

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