Game Thread 2022-23 Game #21 BLAZERS VS CLIPPERS - NOVEMBER 29, 2022 - TUESDAY - 7:00 PM (PDT) TNT

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  1. wizenheimer

    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

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    the Clippers have a 192M payroll. Right now, they are scheduled for 145M in luxury tax. Next year, they have a 200M payroll and they will be paying repeater tax so their tax bill could be north of 300M

    do you think Jody and the Vulcans would sign off on that kind of insanity?

    people keep yapping about the poor return from trading Powell without factoring in that much of the return was the absolutely necessary clearing of obligated salary. And of course, the absolutely necessary dismantling of Olshey's idiot roster. If the Blazers had kept Powell and not signed Payton, they'd be 8M over the tax line; and that doesn't include a single dollar invested in any MLE...and they'd need to sign two players.

    worse is that Powell is mostly a one-on-one-iso player. He's a shitty defender, a terrible rebounder, and a piss-poor passer and facilitator. Other than going iso as a 6th man, he doesn't bring anything that Portland desperately needs. And it would mean that the Blazers would be investing 60% of their salary in 3 players 6'3 or less who would rank at the bottom of the roster defensively. That would be even more idiotic than paying about 50% for the three players that size Portland has right now. Pining away for Powell makes no sense. And continuously asserting the Blazers could have got more for Powell isn't supported by a shred of evidence

    but again, more than all of that is the harsh reality: Olshey was allowed to dig a deep deep roster hole of his ego-driven idiot vision. It's fucking lunacy to have expected in one trade deadline and one off-season after that decade of Olshey's mismanagement, that Cronin would have not only been miraculously able to climb out of that hole with the roster on his back, but to also carry the roster well up the mountain to contention. It took at least 8 years to put the Blazers in the sorry condition they were in 10 months ago; it will take more than a single trade deadline and off-season to reverse all that. And for damn sure, the return from trading Powell, or the lack of return, is fairly insignificant either way
     
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    And they are not good rebounders. When Nurkic leaves the floor the interior rebounding and defense go down the toilet.
    What is Walker's specialty? Rebounding. Even Greg Brown is a better rebounder than Watford and Winslow due to his leaping ability.
     
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    blazerfan11 Well-Known Member

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    There's a salary cap in the NBA so not only can you do it, you have to do it.
     
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    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

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    that's nonsense....one trade setting up another happens all the time. Cronin even said he needed to complete the Clippers trade prior to executing the Pelicans trade. I was slightly skeptical about that assertion but not skeptical enough to call him a liar
     
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    Sorry didn't reply earlier, he just said the F-word and an exclamation pt indicating frustration. Didn't know if he had heard anything about his son's injury. Looked like an ACL to me at the time but it apparently was his hip.
     
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    At this point I'd give Walker a look over Watford. Billups isn't as insane as Stotts, but he also seems very biased against rookies when he plays 2nd year players (Watford), or players with major limitations (Winslow) over Sharpe and Walker. I get that Sharpe hasn't been playing well and I have no idea why Walker isn't getting time. That said, I'd REALLY rather see those two get a lot of time to develop then to waste more time on Winslow other than as a specialist for end of the game defense (IF WE ARE AHEAD NOT BEHIND!!!!!!) and play making. I think Walker is already a better shooter than either of those guys and it goes without saying that developing Sharpe (which means playing time, touches, plays and playing through mistakes) is critical to this team. The main thing I don't understand is why the fuck Billups will go with Watford, Winslow with a center when we are down late in the 4th. Like, doensn't he realize that A) we need to score so we don't lose, and B) that the other team will mercilessly sag off those guys clogging the paint and doubling Grant and Simons? It's madness as we've already seen this at least 3-4 times this season. I get Sharpe is making bonehead plays and has been struggling a bit with shooting, but he CAN shoot where as Winslow absolutely cannot and Watford is hardly much better!
     
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    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    I want to see Walker. Good things happen when he is on the floor.
     
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    SharpeScooterShooter SharpeShooter

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    Tough brutal loss.
    Move on. Lets get a win tonight!!!

    Go Blazers!
     
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    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

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    Exactly. When Ant wasn't being aggressively double-teamed, he was covered by the much bigger and longer Batum. Once Grant fouled out, there was literally no one else the Clippers had to guard closely. Winslow kept trying to score, which was a net negative. I'd say Ant performed heroically under the circumstances.
     
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    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

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    Scoring points doesn't matter? He was instrumental in getting us an 18 point lead.
     
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    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

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    I actually expected Walker to go in late in the 4th. Nope.
     
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    Winslow also put up 3 ill-advised missed shots in a row once we got the big lead, as if he thought it was garbage time already. That's when the Clippers started their run. Winslow and Hart are valuable on this team, but they should never be on the court at the same time. Not ever.
     
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    Roster transactions aren’t conducted in a vacuum. Sometimes transactions are made to facilitate other transactions. If Cronin knew he had to get rid of Norm’s contract to be create the ability to acquire Grant then it’s fair to include Grant in the final results.

    It’s like when people say the Clippers overpaid and gave up way too much for Paul George. Looking at that trade independently, the Thunder absolutely fleeced them. But the Clippers had to do the trade because Kawhi Leonard wasn’t going to sign with the Clippers without PG. So essentially the trade was for PG and Kawhi.
     
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    Dude. I am not to blame for this loss. What a ludicrous thing to say. Also- if Powell and RoCo are starter level, why aren’t they starting on a team flooded with injuries?
     
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    Traded away big salaries that weren't considered overpaid in Norm and Roco then handed out far worse overpaid salaries to Nurk, Payton, and Simon's.

    Clippers trade was trash. None of Cronin's other moves made it better (which was very predictable)
     
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    toss RoCo out of any equation. He's a non-factor. He had no value to Portland, as a player or a trade asset, and he sure as hell wasn't going to re-sign in Portland

    Blazers traded CJ, Powell, and Nance; and replaced them with Grant, Hart, Winslow, Keon, two 2nds, and very likely enough of an extra tank to land Sharpe instead of AJ Griffin or such.

    I'd rather have Simons than Powell; rather have Nurkic than Powell; rather have Grant or Hart than Powell. Powell needed to be traded and he needed to be traded before the deadline. Powell was a roster artifact of that idiot Olshey, and Olshey was gone. And Powell was the starter on a team that was 13 games under .500 at the time he was traded. The roster was a fucking failure and Powell was one of the reasons

    I agree the Payton signing was stupid
     
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    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    Touche' FAMS
     
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    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    Not when you are comparing the productivity of the players involved in THAT transaction. If you want to compare the ENTIRE roster go for it....but people dragging Grant into the Roco/Norm vs Keon/Winslow are out of line.
     
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    No idea what people are expecting. We are decimated with injuries right now and we're going to hurt in the wins/losses. This is a really good team when healthy. That's the important part. I'm not too worried about home court. Let's get in healthy and hit our stride before.

    WTF is GP2 coming back!?
     
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