Is it time to bring Hart off the bench?

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by CJ_is_Gone, Dec 22, 2022.

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Bring Hart off the Bench?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. STOMP

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    then why not respond to what I wrote instead of doubling down on Bones's ridiculous never played bluster?

    good grief with the needless personal insults. Have I insulted you? Why are you rushing to defend Bones's nonsense? Why are you personally invested here? The only reason I listed my playing experience was because Bones stated I clearly had never played. Did you skip over that part too? None of us have played in the NBA, so we're all just passing along our secondary experiences watching. Obviously there are decades of examples of guys playing much longer stretches then 18 minutes. His statement that Ant doing so would leave him completely gassed is laughable to me. As one of many counters I could list, from ages 23-25 MJ averaged over 40 minutes per game regularly hitting gamewinners down the stretch... was he completely gassed too or are you going to contend that the little downtime he had completely refreshed him? Of course had his career been in this era he would have had his minutes curtailed and load management employeed, but instead he played 80+ games in each of those years.

    Mostly I find your left field personal insults to be pathetic as if you can't converse or handle ideas other then your own (or apparently Bones's). You're so out of control you had to double back and do it twice... whats wrong with you?

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    I didn't bad-mouth it. I said STOMP surprised me.
     
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    I mean, as delusion goes, that's pretty high-quality delusion. It's the Waterboy H2O of delusion.
     
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    As I recall, you did insult me a month or so ago. And I'm not defending Bones; he and I go at it from time to time. I'm defending reason, sanity and reality. Comparing your pick-up experience with NBA games takes a reach like Bol Bol's.

    Also, I take exception to my personal insults being called left-field. They were delivered right down the middle.

    Anyway, you've been picking and choosing NBA Top 75 all-time players who were doing this 30-40 years ago. They also were starting, so even if they played 40 minutes they weren't playing 18-20 minutes straight on a regular basis.
     
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    your reading comprehension is not good... do you have to be told everything twice? Again, the only reason my playing experience was brought up was because Bones stated I hadn't played. No one here has played in the NBA so of course it's wasn't a direct comparison.

    They were completely unprovoked and pathetic. If you're so sensitive and unable to handle what others write here about hoops (and not you personally) without going off the deep end, maybe you should block people or really get a new hobby. Grinding away waiting to insult a poster because you think they might have insulted you a while back in an unrelated conversation is pathetic and bad for the board.

    Why in the world does any of that matter? Was it easier to play 18-20 minuutes when the TV timeouts weren't so frequent or long? Maybe it was the more physical play (hand checking, hard fouls etc) in MJ's day rather then standing around at the 3pt line that made it so easy to play longer back then? Good grief, did you watch any of the World Cup? All the guys are going at least 45 minutes straight both halves without muliple breaks for timeouts, FTs & reviewing every other foul to see if it was a flagrant... lots of stop/starting, physical play and a hell of a lot more running for those professionals. Following those games, each and every player is clearly gassed... it's smiles, hows your mama and glad thats over/lets go clubbing following NBA games.

    In today's NBA, all the players minutes (even the NBA Top 75 all-time players) are much more curtailed & regulated... thats a given. But thats not done because they can't go longer (completely gassed), it's because teams are trying to maximize their impact and keep them healthier. It seems that these efforts are failing on the later front as guys are suffering more long-term injuries then ever before, but I digress. It's likely Mike (& all the many others) would have had higher efficiency had they played less minutes, but teams prioritized having their best players on the court then off as what was best for the team. It's preemptive load management dictating their actions, not completely exhausted players

    Portland has the unfortunate issue of having their 2 best players both be ball dominant 6'2 190 lb PGs. In my 40+ years of being an NBA junkie, I can think of no teams that were similarly constructed, so how they manage roles shouldn't neccessarily be the same as other teams. For me the option of bringing Ant off the bench is better overall for the team even if it might wear on the young man's efficiency. To my eyes, Ant is in the upper escelon of run/jump athletes ever to play for Portland and more then capable of handling it.

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    WTF ...can you have a conflicting conversation without resorting to condemnation and insults? For fucks sake…

    Anyhow….

    There isn't one team in the nba that plays thier starters the first 18 minutes straight. To suggest it could and should be done is
    This soft shit is hilarious.

    Also. The game has sped up significantly from the Wilt days. They used to walk up the court.
    How many possessions per game for teams in the 70-80’s vs now?

    sorry you are bringing up points of contention and the rebuttal you get is this is softy bs.

    What a crock of shit. Stick to your own pages bro. The crap you take isn't worth your effort bro.
     
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    He insults anyone who doesn't agree with him almost all the time. And then blames it on the other person.
     
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    They didnt run back then like they do now. There is so much context to the different styles, to say they did it then so they can do it now is as shallow an argument as lake mead has become…
     
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    We often define the bench as who starts the 2nd quarter. Last night it was Ant, Keon, Nurk, Watford, and Grant.
    I like that rotation. I imagine GP2 will replace Keon in that lineup. That does not include Winslow or Little or Sharpe.
    So I am wondering if maybe we have the players, we just need them to play better. (and get healthy)
     
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    It's all good. The softy comment is funny to me. I'd like to see how he'd respond to some of the things I get to read online. I assume he'd handle it better since I'm so soft, but given his responses in here, I'm not sure!
     
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    No. Not many handle that very well. I’m actually trying to be nicer to you with the crap you take.
     
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    I wonder just how good Dame or Ant would have to be defensively to shed the "two guards that can't defend" narrative. I thought Dame was our best perimeter defender last night. Made multiple impressive plays, faught through screens... He seems committed to that end and without him having to carry the entire offense, it seems like he has more energy for defense.

    Simons hasn't been good but I think he's been okay as of late. I wouldn't say "he can't defend", he just seems inconsistent to me. Had some impressive moments against Denver.

    I've been spending time to go through video of every shot attempt for opposing teams (that you can find in the NBA.com box scores) to try to get away from any preconceived notions that I have about Player X being a good defender and Player Y being a bad defender. Instead I've been trying to look with an open mind as to what's leading to our defensive breakdowns. I haven't seen our backcourt be bad defensively lately, and we struggled when Dame was out and Justise started, so I'm wondering if I'm hallucinating (and I'd love for someone to show me what I'm missing) or if I'm right, how long the backcourt would have to be solid to shed that label.
     
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    Holy boring.
     
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    I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you on that one. In 1962 (Wilt's 50 ppg year), league average was 107 shots per game per team; this year, it's 88. Pace slowed gradually from the 60's all the way to the early 2000's before ticking back up, but we're only now back on par with the mid-80's.
     
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    I do not think either are terribly bad if they only had to defend a point guard and think Nurk suffers from lineups with two undersized defenders. However, with both on the court (and Hart being an undersized SF) it makes it extremely easy for a team to find a mismatch.
     
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    I would love to see it, though. Doesn't seem like teams have much success hunting mismatches. Dame's a good low-post defender. Blocked Gordon Hayward last night. Hart defends bigger than he is but shouldn't be put on 4s (matchup decisions have been a problem this year in my opinion).
     
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    im not sure what you mean??
     

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