Game Thread 2022-23 Game #41 - BLAZERS VS CAVALIERS - JANUARY 12, 2023 - THURSDAY - 7:00 PM (PDT) ROOT

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  1. HailBlazers

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    We need an Evan Mobley to compliment Nurk.
     
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    Is Billups eligible to be traded?
     
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    look at this tragedy, sadly, many people dont understand bball, so they blame nurk, as if anything in these plays was his fault

    pay attention to the third play, when nurk chews out dame for not guarding his man

     
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    It's not Nurk's fault as in he is fucking up. He is being asked to defend in space and that just isn't his game. He is a paint filling monster when you funnel people into his world. Pushing up on the P&R/defending the perimeter in any way or asking the guy to defend in space or do a lot of switching in man coverage is all not only unfair to Nurk but also stupid.
     
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    your point is valid, but thats not the point of this video

    its the fact that mobley & allen got alley-oops cause no-one was guarding them
     
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    the 3rd play you speak of...Dame WAS guarding his man and that was Garland at the 3 point line. Grant made the decision to go with Allen leaving Dame on Garland, but Grant was late to decide and ceded the open lane into the paint which left Nurk frozen in the worst possible defensive position between Allen and Mobley. If Nurkic was yelling at Dame he was yelling at the wrong guy

    what I saw was a Portland defense that seemed confused in both zone and man-to-man. A good defense is decisive and aggressive. Portland's defense(s) is/are passive and slow to respond which is why it's so easy to overload a part of the floor and get 1-on-2 mismatches. The rotations suck and your guy Nurkic is not without sin in this regard

    in fact, if Nurkic wanted to yell at the guy responsible for Portland's defensive failures, he should yell at Billups
     
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    look at start of the play, it was grant guarding the ball handler (garland), was he supposed to or not, i dont know, but he was and dame shouldve cover mobley and not leave him open, nurk clearly told dame to go and cover mobley (cause grant was on garland and dame was closest to mobley), you can see the finger pointing, so possibly both grant & dame messed up (grant cause he was there in the first place and cause he followed allen and dame cause he wasnt there in the first place and cause he didnt cover mobley), grant shouldve stayed with garland in case allen passess the ball back to him and dame shouldve gone to cover mobley and prevent what happened, an easy lob pass and finish, but first and foremost, at the beggining of the play, grant shouldve been on mobley and dame on garland... then there simons with help defense, which left mitchell unguarded, so allen couldve pass the ball to him for an open shot, so simons messed up too... only nurk & hart did well on this defensive possession
     
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    Dude?
    Mobley is 6'-11"
     
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    can someone explain to me what Grant is doing on the first play?
     
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    whats your point, that dame shouldnt guard him just cause mobley is much bigger... just cover him, try to stop him, if you cant, thats okay

    mismatches happen every game with every team, but you cant just leave opponent open

    when guards/wings have mismatch with nurk, hes not letting them go by him, he tries to stop them
     
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    Dame is 6"2". he is giving up 9 inches in height and about 14 inches in wingspan. It's not a question who was out of position here?
    The Problem was Chauncey letting it happen not once, not twice, but three times and he still didn't call a TO to fix the issue.
    "Just let them figure it out" is not the way to coach NBA games.
     
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    ok then, let's look at the "start of the play", including Nurk's finger point:

    upload_2023-1-14_10-9-59.png

    how the hell is Dame supposed to see Nurk's pointed finger...His back is turned as he's involved in tentaive PnR defense with Grant. The Cavs have 3 players overloaded on one side of the floor and Mobley was being guarded by Nurkic after passing right in front of him on a cross to the overload. Can you even tell if Portland is in zone or man-to-man? Was Dame supposed to turn around and abandon Grant against 2 players, then run to the baseline and guard Mobley while Nurkic guarded the paint on the floor?

    upload_2023-1-14_10-20-10.png

    backtracking to about a second earlier in the play, it looks like Dame's responsibility was to stop a side-court-->baseline drive by Garland, the ball-handler. Watching the play unfold there was never even any real screen. Allen kind of bluffed he was going to set a screen but backed off quickly because Grant was too far behind Garland leaving a passing lane open

    I'm assuming this was some kind of zone, but it also could have been a man defense. Like I said, whatever D Portland was in it was passive and confused

    looking at the bottom picture, which was the earliest part of the play, I'm not seeing a point in time when Dame's responsibility shifted to Mobley
     
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    hes definitey lost on this play
     
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    My biggest point is Grant should not have been out on Garland in the first place. That is on Chauncey.
     
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    how hard really is to remember defensive plays, its not like theres hundreds of them, you should know where to be and what to do

    either theyre stupid and cant remember or theyre lazy or theyre not focused, either way, shame on them
     
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    We definitely need a guy like Mobley on this team. If we could somehow trade Simons for someone like him, then could move Grant to SF where he belongs and Hart to SG where he belongs.
     
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    here's the thing....I'm not sure what the context is there. Was this some kind of quick transition by the Cavs when Portland was in man defense and had to pick up the players they were nearest? According to play-by-play, Dame had hit a three and the Mobley dunk came 16 seconds after so transition seems unlikely. Was Grant on Garland because the Blazers had already switched a couple of times?

    in any event, watching what little that video showed of that play, I have a hard time seeing when Mobley became Dame's responsibility
     
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    yes, but we dont know if that was designed play by chauncey or grant took the assignment by himself

    was grant guarding ball handler entire game or this was one off
     
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    https://watchreplay.net/cavaliers-vs-blazers-jan-12-2023/18853/

    it was set zone defense, you can see here, just play the video

    grant & dame had all the time in the world to switch positions, they didnt, but we dont know if this was designed by chauncey or something grant & dame did by themselves
     
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    They were in this set three times with Grant out front. This was by design. You can watch the whole 2-3 mins of the game where this was happening.
    I really can't blame Chauncey for trying to make it work. He's obviously still trying things. This was obviously not working with two bigs in the game.
     
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