I’ve tried saying this to people but the Blazers ‘mid-ness’ really can be defined by like 3 critical events over the last 20 years More secondarily I’d add Olshey ultimately getting nothing out of that loaded draft—with Zach Collins heading off to San Antonio—was a big one as well.
I will counter that draft with the 2004 draft: Sebastian Telfair at 13 Viktor Khryapa at 22 via the Nets Sergei Monia at 23 … which was followed by 2005 … Trading Utah the 3rd pick — who took Deron Williams but we could’ve had Chris Paul! But passed on both because we had Telfair! — for the 6th, Martell Webster, and the 27th which was traded and getting Jarrett Jack (a nice back-up) plus the Detroit pick in 2006, Joel Freeland (who I liked as a back-up). Bad memories.
I'm sure the 6ers would do Maxey. I don't know any of these other players would be available for Dame.
More often than not imo. Give me examples of when it hasn’t so I know where your bar for success is before I give some counter-examples.
Let's be honest IF and when Dame gets traded outside of a few players the Blazers will not get what Dame is worth and that is a fact. However the basic framework of any deal would have to be 2 - Top 10 picks and 2 pick swaps and at least one vet coming back who most would consider a top 50 ish player and that is the minimum in my opinion.
I think it's clearly the opposite...it rarely works there are exceptions certainly....the Celtics for instance. But it didn't work for Denver when they traded Melo; it didn't work for Utah when they traded Deron Williams. Minny got Al Jefferson for KD and spent 2 decades in the lottery. It hasn't worked for either Indiana or OKC after trading PG13. It hasn't worked for the Pelicans after trading AD. when small market teams are 'forced' into trading their franchise player they generally get fucked
well since we have been "getting fucked" for years as far as playoff performance goes (when we even get there) and our franchise player is getting older - 33 next season and is owed a huge amount (215 Mil) the next 4 years, trading him may not be a bad idea as it appears the chances of building a "contender" around him appear very low IMO. If we could get a good player and a few picks I'd rather roll the dice that way. I understand both sides of keeping him or trading him, my preference is trading him and get what we can and get out of that huge contract
What I would say to that is: 1) Denver netted a total of one 1st rounder for Melo. Outside of that, they got a total of four mediocre or above average players and two second rounders. Had Denver gotten 3-4 1sts like what we see today, the way we look back at that trade could be completely different. So to say “multiple picks” is a stretch when 2/3 picks were 2nds. 2) The Deron Williams haul was actually a huge haul at that time. The Jazz got back the 3rd overall pick in that draft, the #3 pick the following year, another 1st, and a young guy who had been an All Star. What the team does with those picks matters too, but the trade itself was a great return. Kanter was obviously the wrong choice. 3) The KG deal got them two 1sts, one of which was used on Jonny Flynn. Had the Wolves drafted Curry, would you still say they got fucked? Getting the package is one thing, having the foresight to actually draft the right players is another. Now, you’re also looking at trades from over 10 years ago. If you look at recent trades, 1) Jazz got a haul of picks from the Gobert trade. 2) Hawks are going to be regretting the Murray trade for years to come. 3) Nets had to undo their mistake of trading multiple 1sts for Harden by recouping some of them and trading Harden, then got another haul back for KD.
I don’t think they would trade Bam for Dame. But if they were willing to, I’d definitely consider it.
so what you're saying is it almost never pays off for the team trading the franchise player...which is what I said Gobert and Murray aren't franchise players by the way; not even close
No, what I’m saying is it pays off when you make the right draft choices once you get those picks from trading your stars. The Celtics did. I agree with you that Murray and Gobert aren’t franchise players. I hope Dame brings in way more picks in a deal if he wants a trade then, since he’s a franchise player ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
No. You obviously keep Dame if he wants to be here and you make an upgrade by trading Ant. I said “if he wants a trade” in the comment you replied to.
Is there any potential scenario, that can put Dame and Luka at the same team? They got the same story behind them.
I didn’t say trading Dame was a bad idea, I said trading him for a bunch of picks is a bad idea. We need a Scottie Pippen like haul of players. Or someone like Jaylen Brown.
