OT Say goodbye to the US car market as we know it: Cheap Chinese EVs are coming

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  1. SlyPokerDog

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    After years of preparation, Chinese car companies are poised to upend the US electric-vehicle market.

    Industry watchers say it's only a matter of time before Chinese automakers bring their impressive — and importantly, inexpensive — electric cars to the US. After years of threatening to set up shop in America, the companies are closer than ever to making the move.

    On their home turf, Chinese companies have already vanquished their American competitors, eating up market share from the likes of Ford and General Motors by offering better quality and less expensive electric cars for shoppers. They've started exporting a slew of brands to Europe too.

    As Chinese car-industry leaders like Nio and Geely eye a move to the States, the question is whether they can overcome political frictions – and whether American buyers will go along for the ride?

    "It's going to be an interesting couple of years ahead to see whether Ford and GM and the like can stave off that Chinese competition coming in," Martin French, a managing director at the consultancy Berylls, said. "From what we saw at the Shanghai auto show this year, that competition is very, very real."

    China's EV industry has exploded in recent years. In 2022, US EV sales hit a new high of 800,000, while Chinese buyers snapped up some 5 million electric passenger vehicles. After years unchallenged, Tesla is about to lose its crown as the world's largest EV maker to a Chinese company, BYD.

    Toyota, Hyundai, and now BYD
    In the 1970s, Japanese car companies like Toyota and Honda swooped in with affordable and fuel-efficient vehicles that knocked US carmakers on their heels. More recently, Hyundai, Kia, and other Korean brands have been eating Ford and GM's lunch on SUVs.

    History may repeat itself. Chinese EV manufacturers can gain a foothold in the US by coming in at a budget price point, analysts said.

    "Is it possible for Chinese companies to do what others have done before, only now with electric vehicles? The answer is absolutely," Bill Russo, a former Chrysler executive and the CEO of Automobility, a Shanghai-based advisory firm, told Insider. "Who doesn't want affordable vehicles?"

    But as political tensions between China and the US intensify, entry into the American market could be more painful for China than it was for Japan or Korea. In addition to general anxieties from consumers who may be less likely to support a Chinese brand, analysts said, lawmakers are likely to apply more scrutiny to any Chinese company with plans to operate in the US.

    A Trump-era import tariff of 27.5% remains in effect on Chinese cars, while the Biden administration's new tax credits for EV purchases favor vehicles built in North America with battery components that don't come from China.

    China is winning on prices
    American brands — including Tesla — have been promising a long-range EV option priced at or below $30,000 for years. But progress has been slow and sometimes regressive. GM plans to cancel the Bolt EV, America's cheapest EV, by the end of 2023 and use that factory to build pricey electric pickups instead.

    Meanwhile, Chinese brands are unmatched in affordability on their home turf and in Europe.

    One of China's most popular EVs is the Wuling Hong Guang Mini, a minuscule city car that costs roughly $5,000. At the Shanghai auto show last month, BYD launched the Seagull, a stylish, pint-sized hatchback with an estimated range of 190 miles. Its starting price? Under $11,000.

    Tu Le, the managing director of Sino Auto Insights, a consulting firm that specializes in the Chinese auto industry, said Chinese firms aren't skimping on quality for the sake of affordability.

    "They have the products to back it up," he said. "I've driven a number of the Chinese EV brands, and boy oh boy, the Europeans are in trouble."

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    I heard they're getting rid of AM radio in new cars. I wonder what that will do to the AM radio market.
     
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    I don't think I'd want to be in one of these things when an F150 slams into it.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Beamer drivers gonna Beamer.
     
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    Harbor Freight is going into the EV market.
    For years I called on their head quarters in Camarillo and most of their whole goods with battery or engines came from China. Throw aways as their parts support sucks. I remember one HF buyer mentioning its a matter of time and they will be selling electric vehicles! That was 15 years ago.
     
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    Probably didn't use his blinkers either...
     
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    What car would you like to be in when a F150 slams into it?

    For a city car, that's fine. I honestly do not like this American fascination with ever larger cars because someone else might be driving an even larger car.

    FWIW, I am sure it will be a lot safer than that 30 years old Mazda Miata I have been using as a daily driver since 1996 which is orders of magnitude safer than all the motorcycles on the road.
     
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    I'm sure you could still pick up a few of these bad boys for cheap

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    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    "...better quality," lol...
     
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    There’s an AM “radio market”?
     
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    Rush Limbaugh, etc...
     
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    julius Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    He, like art bell, is dead.
     
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    Nah… You’d never outbid the local police department in an auction for one
     
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    Yeah, but we still have Lars Larson...
     
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    For a while I think they were just giving them away to the PD.
     
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    Sadly. Does Michael Savage still spew hatred on the radio?
     

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