We got the #3 pick. Discuss the possibilities.

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by Strenuus, May 16, 2023.

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What are you hoping for with this pick?

  1. Draft Scoot and keep him

    27.6%
  2. Draft Miller and keep him

    28.6%
  3. Draft someone else at 3 and keep him (please specify)

    3.1%
  4. Trade down, but still draft in the lottery

    10.2%
  5. Trade the pick for a starting forward

    30.6%
  1. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    Not every player can be taught how to shoot. But no one can be taught a combination of a 6'6 height, 7'0 wingspan, elite first step, elite vertical, shiftiness, and quick processing speed.
     
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    Sure he like all NBA players have given talent, and he is very athletic. But if he is such a quick processor, why can't he figure out to shoot free throws? No excuse for it at all, at this point. Even you could shoot better than he can...
     
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    Highkin interviewed a dude on his podcast last Wed and his best player list goes like

    Wemby
    Scoot
    Amen
    Whitmore
    Miller
    Forgot who he had at 6
    Ausar

    Said he won't be surprised if Ausar ended uo being the better twin despite his ranking

    Said Amen more athletic than Sharpe
     
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    My eyes are bleeding.
     
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    BigGameDamian Well-Known Member

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    So we’re using the 3rd pick because Dame has a smile on his face in the workouts?
     
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    tykendo Don't Tread On PDX

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    One of the best video's i've seen as far as breaking down the talent.

    After watching, these are a few of the players that got my attention.

    Cam Whitmore - reminds me of Calvin Natt. The way he shoots it in traffic & his release.

    Cason Wallace - Man! I like everything i see in this guy. Now this is a defender. And can he shoot. What an easy and beautiful release on his shot. This is a guy i would really like the Blazers to draft if he falls to #23.

    Derrick Lively - Plain and simple, looks & plays like Jarrett Allen.

    Brice Sensabaugh - Reminds me of Mark Aguirre. Youngsters in here will have to look him up, but he was an outstanding pro. Great scorer in Dallas , and great, key , role player with the Bad Boys Detroit Pistons , winning 2 titles with them.

    Kris Murray - Has a beautiful release on his shot, and looks like the kind of dead eye shooter the Blazers need off the bench. I think he can contribute , right away , as a pro.


    I only looked a few picks past our pick at #23. But these are the guys who stood out to me, that weren't the usual players being talked about. I will say Wemby looks amazing. Damn! Not sure on Scoot, Miller or Amen. Scoot and Amen are incredible athletes, but all i see is dunks. That being said, both Scoot and Amen look to be elite finishers at the hoop. I dig that. They've got the hype though. Miller wasn't rated as high on this gentlemen's list. But he sure can shoot, and has the length to be a good defender.
     
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    I was not at all on the Murray hype last offseason, not that high. I haven’t watched any of Kris but how does he compare to Keegan? I still don’t think he was going to star, but his ability to impact the game even in his rookie year was impressive. All the guys I wanted in the NYK range seem to all be out of reach. After Hendricks, Leonard Miller, and Lively moved up, I’m left without any guys I like in that range.

    Is Kris good enough to come in and be an immediate impact shooter right away? He doesn’t have the upside I want, but I don’t mind him if he is able to play right away as a backup SF. If he is even a high 30% shooter, we’ll have him locked up for a while. Amen/Sharpe/Murray with Murray guarding the worst perimeter player on defense would make for a good lineup, as all of these guys would compliment each other well on defense.

    Haven’t watched any Kris Murray and don’t plan to, but if he lands here, I’ll be rooting for him. How does he compare to Murray?
     
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    Not to mention the possibilities of constructing a roster post-Dame if he pans out. If everything about Amen’s work ethic is true, having Dame around for a few years will help him develop. I have no doubt one year with CP3 only helped SGA develop as a player, I think being around Dame would set him up to be the unquestioned leader in the post-Dame era.

    Schmitz would have an infinitely easier time constructing a team around Amen and Sharpe down the line. Schmitz just needs to find the BPA available every year. The dream would be to have 2 two-way forwards next to our AS backcourt, but if the BPA is an elite shooting PG who isn’t great on defense, building the foundation to an elite defense around AS will help erase defensive lapses. Amen and Shae have the potential to become a bigger version of Harper and Jordan but can also become a better version of Brown and Tatum.

    In five years, I don’t know who I think will be our #1 player. Shae might end up being the better overall player due to his ability to play both sides combined with his ability to score at all three levels. However, Amen could end up being Steph to Shae’s KD because he’s the team’s culture setter and is a true floor general at damn near Magic’s size. Amen is the only guy in this draft oustide of Wemby I feel about. I think Shae is clearly our #1 over Miller, Whitmore, Walker, even Scoot.
     
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    I know Dame won’t be gone, but this is a fun trade that I’ll entertain. I would trade down with ORL and try and nab Franz. #3 and Nas for Franz and #11. Between #11, #23, and #43, we have enough assets to end up with Lively by the end of the night and get our 1st back from HOU as well.

    Amen/Sharpe/Franz/JSJ/Lively is the lineup I see in a few years. But we’d still have Ant and Nurk. I think that keeping Ant actually accelerates our rebuild. I would find a way to dump Nurk and throw a good stack at Lopez to be out starting C.

    Ant/Amen/Mays
    Shae/KPJ/Thybulle/Mays
    Franz/Amen/Nas
    JSJ/Franz/Watford/Walker
    Lopez/Lively/_____

    I think with Dame gone, Ant trends towards the numbers he puts up when he starts without Dame again. When Amen comes in, surround him with Ant, Shae, JSJ/Wagner, and Lopez. Will Franz become a more consistent shooter where Amen, Sharpe, Franz, JSJ, and Lopez could be lethal? I think it may. I wouldn’t tank with this roster, I would just see where we can get with them.

    I could root for that team for all 82 games. I have a sneaky suspicion this team could win a play-in game or two. I think we could be a better version of OKC this year. With two future BOS 1sts + all of our own, we could combine them with any of Ant, JSJ, Lopez, Watford, or Walker to grab the next best star who would fit the team. Maybe one day a two way player like Mobley or Tatum becomes available, we would have the pieces to push our chips to the middle to find a fit with Amen, Shae, and Franz.
     
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    What does reading the floor and defense quickly have to do with making free throws?
     
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    I get what you're saying. Who knows on any of these guys. It's all speculation. Just looking at the highlights, he has a nice shooting stroke . His percentage on threes wasn't that impressive last year at 33%. But he did avg. 20 pts per., and i have a feeling the skill is there to be better. Just like anyone wanting Amen to improve on awful 3 pt. %, and mediocre FT %. He's gonna have to get way better to be anything other than a role player in the NBA. The athleticism is off the charts , but it's a make or miss league. Aren't a lot of poor shooting wings starting in the NBA as far as i can see.
     
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    Or point guards.
     
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    You mentioned he's a quick processor, I just think ft shooting requires the focus and repetition along with quickly realizing what he's doing wrong. Any guard in the league that can't shoot 70% ft's needs to add a step too his process.
     
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    Amen skeptics, consider this:

    The only game tape we had was grom high school, that part isn’t hard to recognize. I wonder how quick some forget he rose from not being rated at all to a 5 star recruit in one summer. That, justifiably, is enough to scare many away. The ones who ended up being correct were the ones who took everything else into account.

    Amen’s ability to process the game at this age will be as impressive as Sharpe’s advanced offensive game at 19. His defense may take some time to adjust to the pro game, but his mind to facilitate will not go away. It may or may not translate to asts right away, but expect to see a few Dame-Amen PnRs where Amen gets to make a decision off the roll pass, Amen-Nurk PnRs where Amen operates as the PG, and stretches of Ant/Sharpe/Amen lineups where it’s PG by committee. I think Amen can average 5apg off the bench almost right away, in line with where Josh Giddey was in his rookie year.
     
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    This is really funny: "Amen and Shae have the potential to become a bigger version of Harper and Jordan but can also become a better version of Brown and Tatum."
     
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    Listen to both of these ORL pieces for Ant. This is from an ORL fan. Really goes to show you want what you can’t have. Probably just as much that we underrate Ant as this guy overrating Ant.

    I do either deal 100%. Anything in addition to both #6 and #11 is a bonus. #3, #6, #11, #23, and #43, we could grab pretty much any two players after #3 and still get our 1st back from CHI. We could trade down from #3 to #4 for #20 as well, grab Amen, Lively, and another high lotto pick.
     
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    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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    Agreed. I don't think Blazers could receive quite that much in return
     
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    Apparently this guy is really moving up. "He's a long, springy, bouncy athlete with great open court speed and above the rim ability. While his game is still raw and unrefined he's starting to put it all together and putting up nice numbers. On the offensive end Coulibaly is a slasher, cutter and instinctive scorer."
    Not quite 19 yet https://www.si.com/nba/draft/prospe...0026f6&pid=screen-shot-2023-01-25-at-72731-pm
     
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