Yao, Amare, Carmelo, Lebron

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  1. jdub

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    These are the top four young guys in the game, in what order do you think they should be ranked? They can all help a team in there own way, and each and every one of them will be an all-star in the league, here are my rankings...

    1. Lebron
    2. Yao
    3. Carmelo
    4. Amare
     
  2. Moo2K4

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    1. LeBron - He's the only reason why Cleveland is winning. He has been playing absolutely fantastic almost all season. He's been better than what I thought he'd be. But, despite this, I don't think he's ROY, especially if his team misses the playoffs and Melo's gets in.

    2. Carmelo - He is the backbone of this team. He is the number one man down there. He has really brought new life to what had become the laughing stock of the NBA basically. ROY in my opinion.

    3. Amare - Though I really have problems considering him up here due to the fact that his team sucks, I put him at this spot because he is the top man in that organization. He has probably surpassed Shawn Marion now and is without a doubt the cornerstone to that very young team.

    4. Yao - He gets #4 cause he has a lot of help and he isn't the sole reason why they win. He gets help from Mobley, Jackson, and Francis. Plus, he doesn't get enough minutes in my opinion. He needs to get more minutes. If he got more minutes, he could be much better. But, that's just how they play him for now.
     
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    1. Yao - Big men are what normally win championships, and have been what have won Championships the last few years, not guards, so I'm gonna go with Yao being the best. Obviously if Yao got as many shots as Lebron he'd be averaging about 26 ppg.

    2. Amare - Again the big man prevails, I know his teams record doesn't speak wonders, but he's been injured a lot this season and never got to establish himself while Marbury was their, so I'm going with him as 2nd, and obviously with hi jumper improving everyday he will become deadly.

    3. Lebron - He's not the only reason Cleveland has been playing well, but he's the main reason. He's putting up pretty good numbers. Great upside for improving since he's very young.

    4. Carmelo - He's also been a big part of Denver's success, and has been very valuable to them, he's scoring about the same as Lebron with 2 less shots per game, and is a more versatile scorer, and better rebounder, but he doesn't have the passing skill and atheleticism. Also has great upside and much room for improvement.
     
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    1.) LeBron James

    2.) Carmello Anthony

    3.) Amare Stoudemire

    4.) Yao Ming
     
  5. Shard

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    1. LeBron James
    In his first season he is already the leader of his team and one of the premier players in the league.

    2. Carmelo Anthony
    If 'Bron wasn't in the league 'Melo would be at #1 because he is so gifted and valuable to the Nuggets as James is to the Cavs.

    3. Yao Ming
    He gives the Rockets a big guy to match up the Centers of the Western Conference...capable scorer and defender.

    4. Amare Stoudemire
    I love Amare, he's explosive and once again...a big player for his team. But his team is the Phoenix Suns and lord knows Amare can't save that sinking ship. He is a star but still 4th on this list of guys.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Shard07:</div><div class="quote_post">1. LeBron James
    In his first season he is already the leader of his team and one of the premier players in the league.

    2. Carmelo Anthony
    If 'Bron wasn't in the league 'Melo would be at #1 because he is so gifted and valuable to the Nuggets as James is to the Cavs.

    3. Yao Ming
    He gives the Rockets a big guy to match up the Centers of the Western Conference...capable scorer and defender.

    4. Amare Stoudemire
    I love Amare, he's explosive and once again...a big player for his team. But his team is the Phoenix Suns and lord knows Amare can't save that sinking ship. He is a star but still 4th on this list of guys.</div>


    Yep, that would be mine too.
    I wish Yao got more shots.. we get little teasers like his 33 point game against the Lakers.. in a few years he might be doing that on a regular basis [​IMG]
     
  7. BlueByU

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    1. Yao - in the future he will be a 20-10-3 player and a good defender, but just give him more minutes jeff. and he's got a solid low post offense and defense. did imention he's 7 foot 5?

    2. Lebron - should have been on the all star team. I honestly thought he would not live up to the hype but he has proved me wrong.he is versatile. with his body and size, he can be a 1-3 player and possibly shift at times to a undersized PF. he is also filling up the stats sheet. rookie of the year.

    3.Carmelo - brotha is old school. His game is a refined version of the stars from the 70's and 80's. He is also making his team win. worst team last year to playoff contenders(probably one of the things lebron MIGHT not accomplish this year).

    4. Amare - potential all star, and good defender but his team sucks. Injured for a portion of the season and people are starting to forget about his skills
     
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    Lebron - In his first season.He has already accomplished alot.He is a born leader and a unselfish player.He is the whole package.He puts up amazing stats every night and will be a top 10 player in the futur.

    Amare - He is a beast in the post.He attacks it with finesse and power.He is the futur of the Suns.He is only getting better.Only injuries slowed him down this season.

    Yao - If he could get more shots and when he reaches his full potential.He will be dominating the league for years.

    Carmelo - Great player.Has helped his team win.Great shooter and rebounder.The only thing he needs is better passing skill and atheleticism.He is getting better every game.
     
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    LeBron James - One of the very few players you can build a championship caliber team around. I have no doubt he will take over as the games supreme player within the next five years.

    Yao Ming - Quality centers are always rare, and Houston has one of them.

    Carmelo Anthony - Great scorer, but I think he'll always be a bit below the highest level, where players like Kobe Bryant and Tracy McGrady are now and Michael Jordan was a couple of years ago.

    Amare Stoudemire - the second coming of Shawn Kemp (I'm talking about his early Seattle days).
     
  10. Jumpman

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting bender:</div><div class="quote_post">LeBron James - One of the very few players you can build a championship caliber team around. I have no doubt he will take over as the games supreme player within the next five years.

    Yao Ming - Quality centers are always rare, and Houston has one of them.

    Carmelo Anthony - Great scorer, but I think he'll always be a bit below the highest level, where players like Kobe Bryant and Tracy McGrady are now and Michael Jordan was a couple of years ago.

    Amare Stoudemire - the second coming of Shawn Kemp (I'm talking about his early Seattle days).</div>

    I agree with you all the way. Yao is a very rare center. ANd his playing so well in his 2nd year, plus he's the leading scorer in his team.
     
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    1: Lebron James-He is a kid playing like a seasoned vet, and you just gotta appreciate that. Forget Yao, Lebron is the future of the league.

    2: Yao Ming-While Lebron James will be the MJ of the new generation, Yao will be the David Robinson, Olajuwon kind of player: great but outshone by others.

    3: Amare Stoudamire-Charles Barkley of the new generation anyone?

    4: Melo-He looks like the he will be the Reggie Miller of the new decade.
     
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    1. Yao Ming - Different from any other player in the league. This guy is capable of changing the way offense is run, his skills are amazing when he's not holding back. Great two-way player

    2. Lebron James - He's averaging 20 ppg, 5 apg, 6 rpg, and he won't even turn twenty until December.

    3. Carmelo Anthony - Not only is he a great player, but he makes his teammates better. Awesome offense, he'll be one of the highest scorers in the league for a long time.

    4. Amare Stoudemire - Outstanding talent, but he hasn't improved his team as much as the other three have.
     
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    Yao Ming- He is probably one the rare and best centers in the whole league. He is one of the main reason that is keeping Houston Rockets wining by having 17ppg-9rpg-3apg.

    Lebron James- Good guard that could isolate players. I put him second because his teamate Carlos Boozer gave him some help.

    Carmelo Anthony- The student of Michael Jordan, giving his best at Denver Nuggets.

    Amare Stoudemire- The phoenix spark to keep them going because his bigness, working with Shawn Marion they are good partners.
     
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    Amare- Has the most skill out of the 4. Forget the record, his team isn't good. Everyone else on this list has more than 1 other player that is good and contributes... the stats prove everything.

    Yao- When The Franchise isn't hogging the ball and taking all the shots and pasing to Yao, this guy can dominate. Doesn't show full potential yet, but soon will be the best center in teh league.

    Carmelo- HIm and the Denver Nuggets are playoff bounds in the hardest division the league the MidWest where every team in the division has a record over .500... his averages are almost the same as Lebrons, but Melo's FG % is better and his teams' record is better in the harder conference.

    Lebron- A great player, but has other players who help him. Boozer is amazing, but is being out shone by Bron's hype. his FG% is dismal, as well as his 3pt%. Alot of TOs. only player on this list in the Eastern conference... this kid is good, and he will be great in the future, but he aint no MJ. His hype has been somewhat fulfilled? Since his team is in the playoff race. One thing for sure, he's not gonna be MJ, no matter what... (Check each otehrs rookie stats)

    P.S the cavs ! Boozer, without him they lose, without bron they still win. When booze plays bad they lose, when bron plays bad they can still win.
     
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    1) Yao - It's all about the position, he's a CENTER and we all know the 2 most important positions (center is one of 'em). Not only is he a center, he's a very tall Hakeem Olajuwon; he has the shot, the finesse, and the agility. He's proven twice in the last month or so that he can outplay Shaq, that proved, to me at least, this guy is for real. I never got into the whole hype around him, because I was around the Shawn Bradley and Gheorghe Muresan hype... obviously they didn't ban out. If he continues to improve and gain just a little toughness (he doesn't have to be Shaq, but he should fight more for rebounds, he's freakin' so tall he should have them all, and although I like that he dunks it frequently, he could do it more often) he should be the best out of these 4.

    2) LeBron - Again it's all hype right now, his team is barely competitive to make it to the playoffs in the 'L'Eastern Conference. LeBron is doing good, but he's got a long way to go. The only reason I'm putting him 2nd is because he's a Point Guard, and that along with Center are the 2 most important positions. Besides the Bulls with Jordan, Championship teams are typically built around Centers and/or Point Guards. LeBron isn't Jordan, his game isn't about himself, so it's kind of wrong saying LeBron is so great, blah, blah, blah, even though, like Magic, he relies heavily on his teammates.

    3) Amare - Though he beat Yao for Rookie of the Year, won MVP in the Rookie/Sophomore game (over all 3 of the others on this list), and has similar/better numbers, he's 3rd because of the position argument. There have been many great PFs who don't win Championships (Barkley, Malone) -- Amare is on a losing team (obvious as a Suns' fan I wouldn't say they suck, as they have better talent than most teams, problem is coaching, ownership trading away everybody, and closing games out, it's not like they are being blown out every other night) but is that Amare's fault? Cleveland is a losing team in an easier conference and I don't see anybody pointing that out!! This isn't "Which team is better?" otherwise Carmelo should be #1 on every list!! Besides Phoenix missed the playoffs the year before Amare came to the team, and made it his rookie year, so he did what Carmelo is doing... he brought a team into the playoffs. So he has benefited this team, it's not his fault the owner needed to trim payroll and shipped most of the talent off to other teams. Amare's probably the best player on this list, he'll be KG one day (and in some games already is) but I'm not sure if Amare could carry a team to the next level, he'll need a point guard and/or center.

    4) Carmelo - Seems not to get much respect, but than again everybody on this list is so talented, it's flattering to even be on this list. He's playing on the best team of the 4, but as an individual I don't think he can do as much as the other 3... take away Lenard, Miller, Nene, Camby, and Boykins, this team wouldn't win. Carmelo, although very good, is just blessed with a better team than the other 3. I could see Carmelo winning Championships... Larry Bird did it out of the SF position (though he had help, I.E.>> Mchale, Parish, Dennis Johnson, Maravich, the list goes on).
     
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    1. Lebron - Versatile, gifted & works hard. In 2 years, at the pace he is going, he should be the best in the game. He is already making other players around him better, ala Jordan.
    2. Yao - 7'6" C with his moves don't grow on trees. I hope he gets a little more physical in the near future.
    3. Carmelo - Good player but also has some good players around him that make him better.
    4. Amare - Super talent but we are seeing a pattern of easy injury.

    Honorable mentions after these - Wade, Bosh, Hinrich.
     
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    1. LeBron- 20, 6, and 6 as a rookie...need I say more?

    2. Yao- Last 3 games hes averaged like what, 32 points? He dominated shaq not long ago and made him purposly foul out. Yao will soon be the best big man.

    3. Carmelo Anthony- I think just as good as the other two, but won't be as dominant.

    4. Amare' Stoudamire- Last week this man was amazing, but i still dont think he's as good as the above 3.
     
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    hold up

    i'm new on these boards and the first thing i see is this post! i got some issues here:

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Moo2K4:</div><div class="quote_post">1. LeBron - He's the only reason why Cleveland is winning. He has been playing absolutely fantastic almost all season. He's been better than what I thought he'd be. But, despite this, I don't think he's ROY, especially if his team misses the playoffs and Melo's gets in.</div>

    this makes no sense. if lebron is the only reason the cavs are winning, then he's gonna get them 15-20 more wins this year than last. how is he not the ROY with that? well because he's actually not the only reason they are winning -- boozer and z are the best 4-5 combo in the league right now, ewill and battie have them playing decent team defense (their biggest weakness in years past), mcinnis has like 70 assists to 10 turnovers since he became a cavalier, and the fans and city are ready for it. throw on top of that perhaps the most explosive swing man in the game (with good young legs) and that's why the cavs are winning. oh yeah they are coached well too. oh by the way lebron's numbers are better than carmello's, and he's played 2 positions with three different lineups so far this year. how much better? not much, not much at all. but still better.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Moo2K4:</div><div class="quote_post">2. Carmelo - He is the backbone of this team. He is the number one man down there. He has really brought new life to what had become the laughing stock of the NBA basically. ROY in my opinion.</div>

    if he's the number one man down there what did he do about the losing streak? if he's a leader like people say then he should have taken care of some business on that team, in that lockerroom. maybe he did, i don't know, i watch nuggets games but i don't follow them off the court. the cavs are lebron's team since they got rid of ricky d, even if he's not clearly the best on the court (some nights he's not). i think alot of it is rookie silliness, neither of them are truly leading their teams. they might have leadership qualities (i know lebron will soon be running the cavs) but both are dumb rookies at times. but since the cavs have become "lebron's team" they have not lost 8 of 10 like the nugs just did.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Moo2K4:</div><div class="quote_post">3. Amare - Though I really have problems considering him up here due to the fact that his team sucks, I put him at this spot because he is the top man in that organization. He has probably surpassed Shawn Marion now and is without a doubt the cornerstone to that very young team.</div>

    no argument here. and the suns aren't much lower than the cavs and the nuggets, they just gave up on this year. in fact next year the suns could very well be as good or better than the nugs and cavs.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Moo2K4:</div><div class="quote_post">4. Yao - He gets #4 cause he has a lot of help and he isn't the sole reason why they win. He gets help from Mobley, Jackson, and Francis. Plus, he doesn't get enough minutes in my opinion. He needs to get more minutes. If he got more minutes, he could be much better. But, that's just how they play him for now.</div>

    yao has to go number 1, because you just can't get a player like that anywhere. for that same reason lebron goes number 2. amare and carmello, while all-stars or all-stars in the making, just don't bring anything new to the game. but that is not to say they aren't great players. they just aren't phenom's like yao and lebron.

    anyway, i dig this board and hopefully i'll have some more time to post here.
     
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    1. LeBron James
    2. Yao Ming
    3. Carmelo Anthony
    4. Amare Stoudemire
    5. Dwyane Wade
     
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    1.carmelo
    2.yao
    3.lebron
    4.amare

    theyre all top so its actually hard to chose. Also do their performances vary each game.
     

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