Hubie Brown For Coach of the Year?

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  1. Voodoo Child

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    <font size="3"><u>Hubie Brown</u>
    Team's Record: 49-26
    Team's 02-03 Record: 28-54
    Key Additions: James Posey, Bonzi Wells, Bo Outlaw, Jake Tsakalidis, Dahntay Jones, Troy Bell
    Key Losses: Wesley Person, Mike Batiste, Brevin Knight, Michael Dickerson, Ryan Humphrey, Robert Archibakd, Cezary Trybanski, Chris Owens</font>

    <font face="Palatino Linotype">Other candidates:</font>

    <font size="1"><font color="Red"><u>Stan Van Gundy</u></font>
    <font color="Red">Team's Record: 37-39
    Team's 02-03 Record: 25-57
    Key Additions: Lamar Odom, Dwyane Wade, Rafer Alston, Udonis Haslem, John Wallace, Samaki Walker, Wang Zhizhi, Loren Woods, Tyrone Hill, Kirk Penney, Bimbo Coles, Jerome Beasley
    Key Losses: Mike James, Travis Best, Eddie House, Vladimir Stepania, LaPhonso Ellis, Sean Lampley, Anthony Carter, Sean Marks, Ken Johnson</font>

    <font color="Purple"><u>Jerry Sloan</u>
    Team's Record: 39-37
    Team's 02-03 Record: 47-35
    Key Additions: Gordan Giricek, Raul Lopez, Raja Bell, Aleksandar Pavlovic, Maurice Williams, Tom Gugliotta, Ben Handlogten, Mikkie Moore, Paul Grant, Michael Ruffin
    Key Losses: Karl Malone, John Stockton, Calbert Cheany, Scott Padgett, Mark Jackson, Tony Massenburg, John Amaechi</font></font>

    My pick has to be Hubie Brown. Stan Van Gundy got a lot of new weapons. Pretty much half his team's production is coming from players that weren't on the team last year. Jerry Sloan impressed me by staying over 50% with no Karl Malone or John Stockton, but I think Malone and Stockton meant less to the team in the final seasons than we think. Their departure just opened up the floor for guys like Andrei Kirilenko, Matt Harpring, and Raul Lopez to show what they can do.
     
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    I have to say that I didn't believe in Hubie and he have proven me wrong. His system has worked just fine when I predicted the opposite. I think he deserve the coach of the year title. He's training a team of talented young player a combination who usually fail, in the hardest division in the nba and without a clear star.

    Chapeau hubie.
     
  3. Ezra

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    Hubie Brown: Coach of the Year

    I know it's been done to death lately, with the Hubie for CotY campaign and general consensus that Brown should indeed be the NBA's coach of the year for the 2003-2004 season along with the job he's done behind the Memphis Grizzlies' bench, but I've been saying it forever.

    Last year, my beloved Grizzlies started the season with losses in each of their first 13 games. Sidney Lowe was fired after the first eight of those losses. Hubie Brown came out of retirement, and obscurity, to turn the team completely around.

    Without a player scoring twenty points, or any man averaging ten rebounds or ten assists, and with just one player averaging thirty minutes, he's led the Grizzlies, who have already shattered the previous franchise mark (that he set last year in just 74 games) of 28 games, to a sparkling record (49-27 as I write this), and their first playoff berth in franchise history.

    But you've heard that before. We all have. Like I said, the Hubie for Coach of the Year bandwagon has a full head of steam. That doesn't even matter; it's been done.

    Coach Brown, who already holds the franchise mark for coaching wins, falls just 1 win short of the total that the team had accumulated over the previous 6 seasons. In less than two seasons. Yeah.

    I know, you're thinking, "well, this is the Grizzlies we're talking about," and that a deaf, mute and blind chimp with arthritis could out-coach everything the Grizz have had up to this point. Brian Winters, Stu Jackson, Brian Hill, Lionel Hollins and Sidney Lowe (every coach in the Grizzlies' history) all suck. While that may be true, it further proves why Coach Brown is the savior.

    The team had never won more than 28% of their games before he showed up. This season, they're shooting better than .650 so far, will participate in the Western Conference playoffs, and maybe even provide a scare for a higher seed.

    But it's not even about that, either.

    Is it the ten-man rotation that makes him great? Is it getting the third youngest team in the NBA to focus, play hard, and improve the reason why he's won two consecutive coach of the month awards? Maybe he's Coach of the Year because he's got career misfits and notorious troublemakers Bonzi Wells and Jason Williams playing well and working hard. It could be that he can get his undersized team to not only hustle and defend, but to lead the league in blocks, forced turnovers and steals while none of the others could. Maybe it's his giving career underachievers and role players defined roles that makes them able to compete against, and beat, the best basketball teams in the world?

    It's probably a bit of all of those things, but to see what makes him so great, it's best to look to the man himself for the proper words: "We want to do that, that's our next goal. We can't think anything beyond that."

    Or not. That quote sure says a lot though, doesn't it?
     
  4. Voodoo Child

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ezra:</div><div class="quote_post">Hubie Brown: Coach of the Year

    I know it's been done to death lately, with the Hubie for CotY campaign and general consensus that Brown should indeed be the NBA's coach of the year for the 2003-2004 season along with the job he's done behind the Memphis Grizzlies' bench, but I've been saying it forever.

    Last year, my beloved Grizzlies started the season with losses in each of their first 13 games. Sidney Lowe was fired after the first eight of those losses. Hubie Brown came out of retirement, and obscurity, to turn the team completely around.

    Without a player scoring twenty points, or any man averaging ten rebounds or ten assists, and with just one player averaging thirty minutes, he's led the Grizzlies, who have already shattered the previous franchise mark (that he set last year in just 74 games) of 28 games, to a sparkling record (49-27 as I write this), and their first playoff berth in franchise history.

    But you've heard that before. We all have. Like I said, the Hubie for Coach of the Year bandwagon has a full head of steam. That doesn't even matter; it's been done.

    Coach Brown, who already holds the franchise mark for coaching wins, falls just 1 win short of the total that the team had accumulated over the previous 6 seasons. In less than two seasons. Yeah.

    I know, you're thinking, "well, this is the Grizzlies we're talking about," and that a deaf, mute and blind chimp with arthritis could out-coach everything the Grizz have had up to this point. Brian Winters, Stu Jackson, Brian Hill, Lionel Hollins and Sidney Lowe (every coach in the Grizzlies' history) all suck. While that may be true, it further proves why Coach Brown is the savior.

    The team had never won more than 28% of their games before he showed up. This season, they're shooting better than .650 so far, will participate in the Western Conference playoffs, and maybe even provide a scare for a higher seed.

    But it's not even about that, either.

    Is it the ten-man rotation that makes him great? Is it getting the third youngest team in the NBA to focus, play hard, and improve the reason why he's won two consecutive coach of the month awards? Maybe he's Coach of the Year because he's got career misfits and notorious troublemakers Bonzi Wells and Jason Williams playing well and working hard. It could be that he can get his undersized team to not only hustle and defend, but to lead the league in blocks, forced turnovers and steals while none of the others could. Maybe it's his giving career underachievers and role players defined roles that makes them able to compete against, and beat, the best basketball teams in the world?

    It's probably a bit of all of those things, but to see what makes him so great, it's best to look to the man himself for the proper words: "We want to do that, that's our next goal. We can't think anything beyond that."

    Or not. That quote sure says a lot though, doesn't it?</div>

    Great post, ezra, amazing stats and info. The only thing I didn't agree with you on was about Lionel Hollins; he didn't suck. He was the best coach the Grizzlies had up until Brown, and I think he could still make it in the league. Although, I your great original reply covered everything. Even if Hubie Brown were in his 30's or 40's, these accomplishments would be spectacular. Him being in his 70's just makes it even sweeter.

    :bigthumbu
     
  5. Stockton

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    As a Utah fan, I'm not getting my hopes up for a Sloan COY even if Utah makes the playoffs. He's coached Utah for over 10 years now, playoffs every season and two finals appearances and has never won it. Hubie has a done a great job, although the Grizzlies were capable of this, but they've just underachieved for a long time and he's done well to unleash the potential. A lot of die hard Utah fans I know think the NBA are against Sloan, and therefore wont vote him. So I'm expecting Brown to get it.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting tmac15:</div><div class="quote_post">A lot of die hard Utah fans I know think the NBA are against Sloan, and therefore wont vote him. So I'm expecting Brown to get it.</div>

    Haha, you'll get that kind of crap whenever you're dealing with some diehard fans. They just make excuses when they don't get the results they want.
     
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    Hubie gets my vote as he has totally turned around the Grizzles franchise but Terry Porter should get some votes too. To lead a team into the playoffs with homecourt advantage is very good even though the Bucks are in the east. All the experts were predicting bottom of the east and lottery.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Wave:</div><div class="quote_post">Haha, you'll get that kind of crap whenever you're dealing with some diehard fans. They just make excuses when they don't get the results they want.</div>

    They're just annoyed that he hasn't got it once yet. Phil Jackson has said he should get it for the last 3 seasons now, including this one. He has had a few troubles with the NBA before, last season he was suspended 7 games for pushing a ref and that's what they're basing it on. But I agree with you, they have been feeling ripped off for a long time now and have a lot of excuses regarding the NBA and Sloan.

    If Utah makes the playoffs, and the Grizzlies don't get home court I think he (Sloan) deserves to get it. If it's not him it should be Hubie Brown, Terry Porter or Stan Van Gundy. Brown has helped turned a franchise around while Sloan, Porter and Stan Van Gundy have been very economic and done more with less.
     
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    I have to say it's Sloan, he's working so well with such a mediocre roster at his disposal. He's just such a great coach, Brown and Bzedelik have really brought their teams up to high standards though, so from that list, it's gotta be Hubie. I may just be bias because of how much I admire Sloan's loyalty. How come Bzedelik isn't up there, I know his team has more stars in comparison to some, especially the Jazz.
     
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    Hubie for Coach of the Year.

    He's exceeded expectations and actually trying to claim a good position in the playoffs, and not trying to get a good position in the lottery as they're expected to be.

    He's done this without overplaying his players and a whole season wherein your best player is only playing a little over 30 minutes will reap benefits in the postseason. Besides, no one ever complained about so lil playing time.

    He's a great coach and a great motivator. His team looks up to him and respects him.
     
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    Hubie has really done a great job, but what he did did not really surprise some people. Look at the talent he has on his team! It's so deep that he can even afford to play a 10-man rotation. I think that Jerry Sloan deserves it more. He is taking a weak and underrated team all the way into the playoffs....again. And Hubie didn't really put the team together, Jerry West did. All you needed to win on that team is a guy who knows to make 10 plays and enjoy the wins the rest of the season.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">Hubie has really done a great job, but what he did did not really surprise some people. Look at the talent he has on his team! It's so deep that he can even afford to play a 10-man rotation. I think that Jerry Sloan deserves it more. He is taking a weak and underrated team all the way into the playoffs....again. And Hubie didn't really put the team together, Jerry West did. All you needed to win on that team is a guy who knows to make 10 plays and enjoy the wins the rest of the season.</div>

    They don't have a KG/TD/Shaq type of player that will dominate. The reason that he uses a 10 man rotation is he uses different combinations at different situations. I mean, you don't see the Lakers or the Kings using a 10 man rotation wherein every player gets a reasonable PT.

    Besides, Williams has always been branded as a show-off and unstable player. Gasol was branded as soft before. Bonzi was supposed to be a nutcase. Posey's proven he can be clutch. And take a look at their record last season for goodness sake.

    BUT...you can never go wrong with Sloan. I love what he did for Utah. It's a battle between the two and you can never go wrong if you pick Sloan or Hubie but I'm more inclined to pick Hubie.
     
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    Look at what Hubie's and Jerry's scheme has brought them. 12 mediocre players and a winning team, like a coach of the year too. The 10 man rotation has been solid for the grizzlies and so has Brown. Brown has got the grizzlies their first playoff berth and doing so i think he deserves coach of the year.
     
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    The Jazz had an allstar, let's not forget.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ezra:</div><div class="quote_post">The Jazz had an allstar, let's not forget.</div>

    The Grizzlies have far more depth and a better lineup than the Jazz though.

    Utah lost 2 future hall of famers, their leading scorer early in the season for the whole season and only had Gordan Giricek to make up for it since the trade deadline day. Their starting PG had always been a benchwarmer up until now, they had Michael Ruffin starting at PF because they are so weak there. Going into the season, none of their players had ever averaged over 17PPG or 4APG. What the Jazz have done this season is almost unbelievable, and Sloan is responsible for bringing the most out of everyone.

    And most importantly ask yourself this, of all the Jazz players who would make the Grizzlies 10 man rotation?

    And of all the Grizzlies, who would start on the Jazz?
     
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    I know all these guys are great coaches, but as a Cavs fan who is always updated, I'm saying Paul Silas. Cavs got a blind owner and Silas and Paxon are the guys who fix everything exept getting money, that's Gordon Gund's job. Paul Silas have made some great trades this season and knowing the team great, he's always knowing what's wrong with the team, and try to fix it in the best way he is able to. That's class coaching!
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting DajuanWagner#2:</div><div class="quote_post">I know all these guys are great coaches, but as a Cavs fan who is always updated, I'm saying Paul Silas. Cavs got a blind owner and Silas and Paxon are the guys who fix everything exept getting money, that's Gordon Gund's job. Paul Silas have made some great trades this season and knowing the team great, he's always knowing what's wrong with the team, and try to fix it in the best way he is able to. That's class coaching!</div>

    First of all, Paul Silas makes trades? Is he the GM? Second of all, look at his talent and look where he is. He couldn't make the playoffs in the East with that team. He should be fired!
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Wave:</div><div class="quote_post">First of all, Paul Silas makes trades? Is he the GM? Second of all, look at his talent and look where he is. He couldn't make the playoffs in the East with that team. He should be fired!</div>

    [​IMG] again, geesh that's pretty harsh. McInnis was the missing key, like I've been saying before. If they had this lineup from the start, they would probaly be a 4th seed.

    Anyways, congrads to Hubie and he won it 26 years ago huh. + he hasn't coach since what 87, and his second year with that team which nobody thought he would be able to coach cause he's so old gets coach of the year in his 2nd year with the team.
     
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    Silas did have a lot of BS to deal with this year (media around James, Miles, Davis, injuries trades, and one of the leagues youngest teams), but Hubie is the guy I would have voted for, no question.
     

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