PROFILE -- Ivan Chiriaev

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  1. harry_balls5

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    yeah Tristian Blackwood or Oliver Prince should have won.
     
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    This guy was going to go to ISU. But, yea, he decided against that obviously.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He became famous, or infamous, in one sentence.

    "The NBA wants and needs Ivan Chiriaev," said Ivan Chiriaev back in March, at the press conference where the 19-year-old 7-footer from St. Petersburg, Russia, declared his intention to enter the NBA draft after playing an unremarkable season for Oakville's St. Thomas Aquinas Secondary School.</div>
    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">"Ego isn't a bad thing," Chiriaev was saying the other day after a morning workout. "Everything I say, I back up with hard work. ... If I have something to say, I'll say it. I don't want to be just another boring guy, you know what I mean? Tim Duncan, he's a great player, but what can you tell about him in life? Basically nothing. I want people to know who I am."</div>
    Russian to the NBA
     
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    This guy sucked.....big time. I can't see him playing in the NBA much less the NBDL. He can't play point, he can't play shooting guard, small foward, power forward or centre. What is his position on the court then? He should be in the stands. The only thing I like about this guy is his height. Too bad he doesn't know how to use it.

    My thoughts when watching this debacle of a game:
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    [*]Canadians tried to dunk the ball waaaaay too much. "Tried" is the main word there. It takes 3 tries to finish a clean dunk. Horrible.
    [*]Chiarev was awful on the floor. Shooting poor shots, getting outmuscled on a regular basis, being bothered by players who are literally 6 inches shorter than him. He can't run, he's lazy on D and all he does is hack at the ball. No agility whatsoever to be considered to be playing the point much less small foward. Can this guy even attempt to jump? Or can he just not get his feet off the ground? Oh yeah, great point guard skills. It takes skill to bring the ball up the court, pick up your dribble prematurely and pass it off. If you need that on your team than Ivan is your man.
    [*]Oliver Prince looks strong. Saw him play at Seneca and he's a beast (an undersized one at that). This game just shows that he came to play, which is something I can't say for 2/3 of the players here.
    [*]Can Ivan Chiarev look any worse than he does now? I wonder what the hell scouts are observing. Maybe they just needed a vacation to Canada.
    [/list]And then I stopped watching because I was getting really irritated at the level of play. I'm sorry to say but most Canadians can't hold a candle to American Highschool players. Bottomline is Ivan Chiarev has shown me nothing that even resembles a college basketball player right now. NBA? Puh-lease. I don't think this kid can play in the WNBA <font size="1">(no offense ladies)</font>
     
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    i think i got a nickname for the young man, " ivan the terrible", literally!!! the gm's that told ivan that he was going to be a top 5 pick need to re-consider their careers. after watching the game i was thinking if ivan could beat any current nba center in a foot race? i couldn't think of any, in fact he choose shrewdly to stay back on every fast break. i would really like to attend one of those pre-draft camps and watch okafur guard ivan, i really don't think ivan could get a shot off on okafur.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font size="3"><font color="#000000">The scouts were long gone by the time the boos rained down on Ivan Chiriaev and what transpired at the Hershey Centre yesterday was the very public dashing of an NBA dream.

    In what was supposed to be a coming out party, the confirmation that the 7-foot Oakville native was right in his decision to enter the NBA draft, turned into nothing less than the unmasking of a teenager as a suspect rather than a prospect, a kid who can dribble a basketball and make some shots but someone who is light years removed from being an NBA talent.

    "Can't play," was the harsh assessment of one of the dozen or so NBA scouts attracted to the first all-Canadian high school all-star game because of the presence of Chiriaev, who had been a well-protected entity before yesterday afternoon. "He can dribble a ball, he can shoot a ball but he can't play the game."

    Scouts are not allowed to publicly discuss draft-eligible underclassmen so none of them would speak on the record about Chiriaev, who was booed when he was named the game's most valuable player.

    "I have my fans; I have my haters," he said.

    But there were enough early departures, enough rolling of the eyes and enough off-the-record comments to know the 19-year-old is not anything close to an NBA first-round selection and if he is drafted at all, it will only be on long-term potential.

    "What a waste of time," said one scout from a Western Conference team. "He didn't show anything."

    And that's precisely the point.

    Anyone harbouring realistic NBA aspirations, let alone someone who once suggested the NBA "needs" him and brought most of the attention on himself with such grandiose statements, would have been able to take over this ragtag all-star affair; or at least do something memorable.

    But aside from loafing most of the game between the tops of three-point circles, hitting a few uncontested jumpers and being the object of all the attention, Chiriaev did nothing that would cause anyone to sit up and take notice. He missed six of the 10 shots he took, never mixed it up under the basket and while his ball-handling skills are passable, they are passable against other teens, not against quick, powerful, strong NBA defenders.</div><div align="center"><u>Full Story</u></div>
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    <div align="left">For a guy who took the biggest shot to his ego he seems pretty confident still. Maybe they will throw him the same party they threw Carl English on the draft [​IMG]</font></font></font></div>
     
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    Can you guys tell me his stats for the game? How he also shot from the field. Thanks.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting cArMeLo15:</div><div class="quote_post">Can you guys tell me his stats for the game? How he also shot from the field. Thanks.</div>

    he had 17 points, i forget his shooting percentages, but they must have been below 50. remember, canadian high school basketball is one level above professional basketball in afghanistan. fyi, he took by far the most shots and players were openly avoiding him, he clearly was not liked. in fact, another seven foot dude in the game was critical of him during the halftime interviews.
     
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    Another article ripping him apart:

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">By Jeff Thomas, Canadian Correspondent
    May 09, 2004

    When fans and NBA scouts arrived at the first annual Adidas All-Canadian All Star Game, all eyes were on Ivan Chiriaev. Chiriaev is the 7-1 Russian native who has recently declared for the NBA draft. He already signed super-agent Bill Duffy leaving him ineligible for the NCAA. Few players were more hyped up then Chiriaev. A 7'1" point guard who could handle the ball, shoot the three, drive and dunk? These are the qualities of a NBA superstar, a certain NBA lottery pick. There was just one problem, Chiriaev showed none of these qualities.

    The game was ment to showcase Chiriaev's talent to the NBA. Instead, he just ended up embarrasing himself. Chiriaev's play during the game was mediocre at best. Although he was hyped up as a great athlete who could move like a guard, Chiriaev played like he was stuck in quicksand. He showed no explosiveness or quickness. One play he got the ball a few feet from the basket and could have easily dunked it, instead Chiriaev pumpfaked and ended up missing a layup. I doubt Chiriaev even has the ability to dunk consistently. He has gained way too much weight and looks like he has a double chin. What happened to the great athleticism which would make him the tallest point guard in NBA history?

    Not only was Chiriaev slow, sluggish, and unathletic, he also showed very limited point guard skills. He was guarded by Kyle Landry a 6'9" PF who is a mediocre Division 1 prospect, yet Chiriaev simply got shut down. Chiriaev did not drive to the basket once. If he can't drive past Kyle Landry, imagine what will happen when he gets to the NBA. He will commit a turnover everytime he touches the ball! To Chiriaev's credit he did make a few nice passes, too bad the rest of the passes were thrown out of bounds. Any NBA team who even considers playing Chiriaev as anything other then a power forward would be insane.

    At 7'1" Chiriaev must be able to get a lot of rebounds, right? Well apparently not, Chiriaev finished the game with an absolutley pathetic 4 rebounds. He is content on playing strictly on the perimeter and never crashes the boards. Chiriaev's size is completely negated because he never goes inside. On the defensive end, he is flat out one of the worst defenders I have ever witnessed. Chiraev has no lateral mobility, and gets beat off the dribble by any player with minimal quickness or ball handling ability. With all of these GLARING weaknesses, it was hard to find any positives in his game.

    If there is one thing that impressed me about Chiriaev, it was his shooting. He has a nice touch and hit three NBA range 3 pointers. He also has an impressive turnaround jumper. However, Chiriaev also has no post moves to speak of. Not once did he score in the post or get to the foul line. He finished the game with 17 points, 2 assists, 4 rebounds, and a rigged MVP. A large group of the crowd, including myself booed Ivan as he accepted the MVP.

    After the game was over, I couldn't help but feel like I had wasted 2 hours of my life. NBA scouts were completely disgusted at Chiriaev's performance. Chiriaev is nothing more then a slow, weak, unathletic power forward, who thinks he can play point guard. If this guy gets drafted anywhere near the first round, then a team is making a HUGE mistake. Chiriaev is years away from ever contributing to a team. Most likely he will be cut, or buried on the bench for his entire NBA career. Judging from his performance, there is absolutley no chance that he will end up like Dirk Nowitzki. A better comparison would be a less agile Wang Zhi Zhi. Even comparing him to Wang, would be giving Ivan too much credit. He truly is "Ivan the Terrible." </div>
    http://www.angeltowns.com/members/nbadraft/ivanterrible.htm
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">A 7'1" point guard who could handle the ball, shoot the three, drive and dunk? These are the qualities of a NBA superstar, a certain NBA lottery pick. There was just one problem, Chiriaev showed none of these qualities.</div>

    Harsh but true. He must've pissed off a lot of people. He clearly embarrassed himself. If he wouldn't even try his best when he knows a lot of scouts are watching, how much more during practices and games? He knows that basically his position in the draft and his life will be based in majority to this game. He self-destructed in this game. So much for the hype. Oh cancel that, he still won MVP so there's still hype.
     
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    Didnt seem very impressive, but he did get some shots, but i think he needs to be more phsyical and more tough inside for him to be a big impact on an NBA team, also i heard that there was some Serbian kid called, Vladimir Kuljanin also playing in the game .. dont know if any of you guys saw him play ?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Parni Valjak:</div><div class="quote_post">Didnt seem very impressive, but he did get some shots, but i think he needs to be more phsyical and more tough inside for him to be a big impact on an NBA team, also i heard that there was some Serbian kid called, Vladimir Kuljanin also playing in the game .. dont know if any of you guys saw him play ?</div>

    All I know is he's a 6'10 bruiser who loves to bully his way in the paint.
     
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    o ok, thanks, i didnt really watch the whole All-Star Canadian game, which got boring after a while, but i heard good things about him.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Parni Valjak:</div><div class="quote_post">o ok, thanks, i didnt really watch the whole All-Star Canadian game, which got boring after a while, but i heard good things about him.</div>

    Oh, I don't know if he played though.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">After the game was over, I couldn't help but feel like I had wasted 2 hours of my life. NBA scouts were completely disgusted at Chiriaev's performance. Chiriaev is nothing more then a slow, weak, unathletic power forward, who thinks he can play point guard. If this guy gets drafted anywhere near the first round, then a team is making a HUGE mistake. Chiriaev is years away from ever contributing to a team. Most likely he will be cut, or buried on the bench for his entire NBA career. Judging from his performance, there is absolutley no chance that he will end up like Dirk Nowitzki. A better comparison would be a less agile Wang Zhi Zhi. Even comparing him to Wang, would be giving Ivan too much credit. He truly is "Ivan the Terrible</div>

    All these are so true
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">ivan is out of the hoopshype.com projected first round; http://www.hoopshype.com/draft.htm</div>

    i should hope so...he's pulled out of the draft

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