http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/sports/8981818.htm?1c Wagner is athletic, good scorer, not that great on D Battie, Great rebounder and shot-blocker, can score, some knee injuries. 10th Pick on Luke Jackson, who the Pacers want to trade for Al Harrington. WHAT!!! I'm saying do it.
OF corse you accept this trade imo. One you get a 10th round pick which is the biggest part imo to use this year because you wont get another first round selection until 2006 let alone a lottery pick. Two you get a exciting young player in wagner that can play either the 1 or 2 position. Plus provide you with a huge boost off the bench. He averaged 16 points his rookie season. Though he does have some bagage as he seems to have alot of injury problems. Three battie is a very smart player has great bball IQ. Was part of the reason that oo brien resigned from his job as boston head coach because of battie and williams being traded to the cavs. He would also fill the void at the 5 spot which we desperatly need. Kandi cant cut it. Mad dogg is to small. Ervin to old. Battie would be just right. I would do it in a heart beat. Though some may say no.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tahsmith:</div><div class="quote_post">yea but im not too high on al harrington, we could get more for wally</div> more than harrington? i doubt it, wally has an awful contract if this trade went down it would be great for the wolves it's too good to be true unfortunately
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TwinTowers:</div><div class="quote_post">The Cavs must be crazy to do this trade.</div> Mabye the cavs are talking about this trade based on there passed draft sucess which besides lebron has been none. They would rather take a sure thing in wally then take a chance. Hopefully this trade happens and the twolves get the 10th pick and battie.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TwinTowers:</div><div class="quote_post">The Cavs must be crazy to do this trade.</div> Remember that the Cavs have Boozer and Bron-Bron, and McGinest (?), Wally would be consistent with his shots, which would really help Brons assist totals and is a great 3-point shooter.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Originally posted by Pure Skilllz He averaged 16 points his rookie season.</div> No Wagner averaged 13.4ppg in his first season but that was only 47 games, in his rookie season he was great but his injury has definitely had somewhat of a effect on him. I think Wagner will be a stellar player and IF I was the GM I would do this deal in a snap because Wagner is younger, quicker and has more potential than Wally + 10th pick and the Wolves get Battie a good scoring center, well atleast better than Ervin Johnson.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting L.Sooch:</div><div class="quote_post">No Wagner averaged 13.4ppg in his first season but that was only 47 games, in his rookie season he was great but his injury has definitely had somewhat of a effect on him. I think Wagner will be a stellar player and IF I was the GM I would do this deal in a snap because Wagner is younger, quicker and has more potential than Wally + 10th pick and the Wolves get Battie a good scoring center, well atleast better than Ervin Johnson.</div> Yeah my bad I wasent sure, but new it was some were between the 13 to 16 point area. O well off by 2.6 points. Anyway he would be a huge aquasition for us and provide us with some compensation if troy hudson doesnt return to us next season.
I would do that trade in a heartbeat. Of course, I'm not the biggest Wally supporter, but getting a good young point guard and a good center, which we both need badly, and the 10th overall pick, that would be huge. I think if this trade were to go down, this would push us over the top.
It would certainly help us, with depth, but if Jackson was traded for Harrington, we would be very short on consistent shooters but would look very strong inside
Who could we get at the 10th pick? An awesome C? A great backup PG? Please fill me in. Not too knowledgeable about a lot of the people coming into the draft, mostly Telfair, Deng, Duhon, Nelson and Gordon for me are who I know well, though they'll probably be higher picks. I'll miss Sczerbiak, decent rebounder and hustler, although compared to Wagner, he's suffered more injuries and is more prone. I'll miss him though, he came through for us whenever he came off the bench. He was all about the team. However getting Battie to compensate? Now that is something....he's always been like Battier to me. Effort and plenty of already established skills as well as potential. It'll be good to have him, he's a very hard worker, so much like Hoiberg and Madsen, he'll be upping our levels. This meaning our moral support with his hustle. He is a great shot blocker also, it was a mistake for the Celtics to let him go, now the Cavs also. They don't know what they're missing out on. He'll no doubt be better than Kandiman at least.
This is a great deal for he wolves imo. Al Harrington isnt the long range shooter Wally is but he is a better all-around player. And he is a pretty good defender as well. Thats alot of defense around the SG/SF spot if you can keep Hassell at the 2 guard, Spree & Harrington at the Foward(of course spree would move to the 2 guard when AL is in the game). I like Harrington better than Wally for the simple fact is he doesnT have to chase shots in the half-court as much as Wally. He can find other ways to score like getting scrappy points & working the offensive boards etc. I dont really see Wagner fitting end on this team. Their just wouldnt be any room to play him. And with Cassell & Hudson(if he stays) already in the backcourt, you already have 2 guys who cant really guard that well. So no need to add another defensive liablity. Wagner would probably be moved in another deal during the offseason. Tony Battie might end up being the most important part of the deal. He is long athletic moible. And can defend, these are all the thngs that the wolves are missing in thier frontcourt besides KG. He can pull double duty relieving both Kandiman at the center & KG at the power forward. And the Wolves could even throw a big frontline at teams of Kandiman at the center, Battie at the PF & KG at the SF,if they wanted too, thats a big lineup option that was never available to the wolves last year. Imo this trade has nothing but pluses for the Wolves, the balance depth of players who can score & defend would be crazy, and unmatched in the West imo.
Why would the Cavs do this trade? They could trade the pick to the Pacers for Al Harrington themselves. The Cavs want shooters, and they can get them for cheaper..I think Eric Piak should be avaible for very little...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting nextlevelgame:</div><div class="quote_post">Why would the Cavs do this trade? They could trade the pick to the Pacers for Al Harrington themselves. The Cavs want shooters, and they can get them for cheaper..I think Eric Piak should be avaible for very little...</div> I was saying if the Wolves jumped on it and did the trade early enough to get the pick. Also, whenever you have a star that's leaving, you'd rather give him to a team that's farthest from you. Be it a different conference or division.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting nextlevelgame:</div><div class="quote_post">Why would the Cavs do this trade? They could trade the pick to the Pacers for Al Harrington themselves. The Cavs want shooters, and they can get them for cheaper..I think Eric Piak should be avaible for very little...</div> Wally is a lot better than Piatkowski, not even close. Wally is starting material, Pike couldn't even make the Rockets team. Besides, Cavs want to unload Battie's contract (5.5 mil) and they already have quite a few big men. They also do need a reliably shooter, which is what Wally is. I still doubt the Cavs would do this trade. Also, Luke Jackson might be taken by the Bulls at 7, so the Pacers don't need the 10th pick. Harrington for the 10th pick would have been a bad trade by the Pacers anyway, he's worth more than that.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Magic Johnson:</div><div class="quote_post">Who could we get at the 10th pick? An awesome C? A great backup PG? Please fill me in. Not too knowledgeable about a lot of the people coming into the draft, mostly Telfair, Deng, Duhon, Nelson and Gordon for me are who I know well, though they'll probably be higher picks. I'll miss Sczerbiak, decent rebounder and hustler, although compared to Wagner, he's suffered more injuries and is more prone. I'll miss him though, he came through for us whenever he came off the bench. He was all about the team. However getting Battie to compensate? Now that is something....he's always been like Battier to me. Effort and plenty of already established skills as well as potential. It'll be good to have him, he's a very hard worker, so much like Hoiberg and Madsen, he'll be upping our levels. This meaning our moral support with his hustle. He is a great shot blocker also, it was a mistake for the Celtics to let him go, now the Cavs also. They don't know what they're missing out on. He'll no doubt be better than Kandiman at least.</div> At pick 10, there could be some very nice choices. First there's 2 big centers that play international ball. One's Pavel Podkolzine and the other is Andris Biedrins(sp?). Pg's that MAY be available are Devin Harris, he might fall, Gordan but I think he will go at pick #5 to the Mavs. Telfair is too high at that pick. Jameer I also think is too high. Those seem to be the best choices for us because in the lottery it seems as though it's mostly going to be SG/SF's drafted, with the exception of Howard, Okafor, and the ones I mentioned.
