<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinsanityMK:</div><div class="quote_post">If this happens screw you Raptors, I'm becoming a Magic fan! (Francis!!!!!!!)</div> boy, arent you a true raptor fan you diss the team, because vince asks to be traded? your no raptor fan, your a vince carter groupie. its people like you, who give the REAL raptor fans a bad name. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting thefranchise3:</div><div class="quote_post">Next time add something intelligent or don't add anything at all, you should no better being a former staff member. Look at this as a business, hate the player, you can't blame the Raptors for one single player thats just being a baby.</div> exactly! why would you hate on the team for this? VINCE is the one doing wrong. that post makes no sense. didnt know he used to be a mod, but its no wonder he isnt one anymore if he posted that kinda jargon.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinsanityMK:</div><div class="quote_post">djpremium... ever heard of a joke.... doiiiihhjjghfj.</div> no, i havnt i was supposed to know your joking how? not even a hint of sarcasm in your post. and iv read posts equally as dumb with people being serious before. try adding a post with some substance next time to avoid any confusion :thumbsup: <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Skip:</div><div class="quote_post"> at all the die-hard fans taking that comment personally...</div> personally? no. seriously...yea, how was i supposed to know?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">How about two babies switching teams?</div> I thought you were going to post a deal for Tmac, as soon as I heard baby dj_premuim, yes I do like Etan a lot lol, and to franchise, I'm also scared of Marion in the halfcourt, but Babcock said he wants to make us a fast break team, could work. I'd love the JJ one, but instead of 8th in attendance, we'd be 27th, only beating the Hawks, Hornets, and Bobcats.
Is Carter trying say, "up yours Canada", by having his statements published on Canada Day? Seriously I don't blame Carter for wanting to leave the Raptors considering how our media bashes him and how a lot of our fans turned against him. I bet the article about Carter's family that Dave Feschuk wrote was the final straw for him. I just hope Toronto fans don't do the typical "boo the ex-raptor" garbage when Carter comes back in town because we can't forget about the good things he's done for the franchise. That being said I still think he's being a bit immature for demanding a trade for those reasons. He said he was displeased when Bosh was drafted and then he later regreted saying that, so what makes him think that he won't regret being displeased with the drafting of Araujo? And it also seems like he's not giving Babcock a chance just because the Raptors didn't hire Dr.J instead. C'mon, he was even avoiding Babcocks phone calls even before he met the guy.
I like this trade... used the realgm trade checker... Toronto trades: SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.1 minutes) PF Donyell Marshall (14.7 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 36.5 minutes) SF Lamond Murray (6.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.7 minutes) Toronto receives: SG Ray Allen (23.0 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.4 minutes) SF Rashard Lewis (17.8 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 2.2 apg in 36.6 minutes) PG Luke Ridnour (5.5 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 2.4 apg in 16.1 minutes) Change in team outlook: +3.1 ppg, -4.1 rpg, and +2.2 apg. Seattle trades: SG Ray Allen (23.0 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.4 minutes) SF Rashard Lewis (17.8 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 2.2 apg in 36.6 minutes) PG Luke Ridnour (5.5 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 2.4 apg in 16.1 minutes) Seattle receives: SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 73 games) PF Donyell Marshall (14.7 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 82 games) SF Lamond Murray (6.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 33 games) Change in team outlook: -3.1 ppg, +4.1 rpg, and -2.2 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED .. I also managed a decent one with the clippers... Toronto trades: PG Milt Palacio (4.4 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 3.1 apg in 20.5 minutes) SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.1 minutes) Toronto receives: PG Keyon Dooling (6.2 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 2.2 apg in 19.6 minutes) SF Corey Maggette (20.7 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 3.1 apg in 36.0 minutes) PF Chris Wilcox (8.6 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 0.8 apg in 20.6 minutes) Change in team outlook: +8.6 ppg, +5.5 rpg, and -1.8 apg. L.A. Clippers trades: PG Keyon Dooling (6.2 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 2.2 apg in 19.6 minutes) SF Corey Maggette (20.7 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 3.1 apg in 36.0 minutes) PF Chris Wilcox (8.6 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 0.8 apg in 20.6 minutes) L.A. Clippers receives: PG Milt Palacio (4.4 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 3.1 apg in 59 games) SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 73 games) Change in team outlook: -8.6 ppg, -5.5 rpg, and +1.8 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Swiftnicity:</div><div class="quote_post">I like this trade... used the realgm trade checker... Toronto trades: SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.1 minutes) PF Donyell Marshall (14.7 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 36.5 minutes) SF Lamond Murray (6.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.7 minutes) Toronto receives: SG Ray Allen (23.0 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.4 minutes) SF Rashard Lewis (17.8 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 2.2 apg in 36.6 minutes) PG Luke Ridnour (5.5 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 2.4 apg in 16.1 minutes) Change in team outlook: +3.1 ppg, -4.1 rpg, and +2.2 apg. </div> We may be shopping Ray, but we're not that desperate.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Supersonic:</div><div class="quote_post">We may be shopping Ray, but we're not that desperate.</div> I won't do Vince for Lewis and Ridnour straight up, let alone giving up Donyell! ..... <div class="quote_poster">Quoting raptor_dc:</div><div class="quote_post"> But i really want to hear it from Vince's lips himself. I hope its not true!</div> How many times, this summer alone, has he said that he commets himself to Toronto andwants to be here? .. Many! The fact is, this is not the first or the last article that talks about Vince wanting to be traded, unless he comes out and says he wants to be traded, I ain't buying any of that BS! .....
With all these stupid and crazy trade ideas i think we might aswell trade VC to the bobcats for picks and some players. Maybe Okafor. (not being serious)
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Supersonic:</div><div class="quote_post">We may be shopping Ray, but we're not that desperate.</div>
vince wants out and he can't even top the nba headlines, coach K won that distinction. it shows u the growing irrelevance of vince, he's a synthetic superstar produced in the espn era of highlight plays. U know by virtue of those spectacular dunks that look ordinary today after 3 consecutive injury plagued seasons. vince wants out, lets accommodate the boy?s obnoxious demands. children don't belong in the nba and they surely don't win u championships. vince wanted out cause he wanted to be like all his idols; see shaq wants out, tracy wants out and kobe wants out so vince wanted to be just like them. vince and donyell for watson, bonzi and swift. and franchise 3 that would be the best trade in franchise history. search through the draft thread for my rationalization of the trade for those don?t know about it.
We don't know anything for sure yet. It hasn't been confirmed at all, and just a thought. Didn't Vince just tell a Orlando Paper that he was willing to give Babcock a chance. So right now this is just a report and we have not got any confirmation as of yet.
^thats what I thought. Right now I am considering this as just a rumour fuelled by the Araujo trade. I mean we are hardlyt in the free agency yet and have hardly any trade talks and he already is upset witht he team? I thought babcock thoguht they were on the same page? The shaq trade idea was very creative, but will never go down.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post"> after 3 consecutive injury plagued seasons. .</div> 3? 9 games missed counts as an "injury plagued season" ?? seems like lots of cats missed around that much time. pretty normal for anyone logging that much clock will go down for a few games.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">vince wants out and he can't even top the nba headlines, coach K won that distinction. it shows u the growing irrelevance of vince, he's a synthetic superstar produced in the espn era of highlight plays. U know by virtue of those spectacular dunks that look ordinary today after 3 consecutive injury plagued seasons. vince wants out, lets accommodate the boy?s obnoxious demands. children don't belong in the nba and they surely don't win u championships. vince wanted out cause he wanted to be like all his idols; see shaq wants out, tracy wants out and kobe wants out so vince wanted to be just like them. </div> I don't know, Shaq has won a fair amount of championships <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">vince and donyell for watson, bonzi and swift. and franchise 3 that would be the best trade in franchise history. search through the draft thread for my rationalization of the trade for those don?t know about it.</div> Still don't like it, maybe because you like Rasheed you like Bonzi but he's not that good
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post"></div> Why would we give up Ray, Rashard and Ridnour for essentially two players, one injury prone and one over thirty? I rate Marshall, but assuming Ray for Vince is the straight up part of the deal, I'm not going to give up Rashard and Ridnour for Donyell Marshall. Tell me, if you were Seattle, would you ship Ray Allen, Rashard Lewis and Luke Ridnour to Toronto for Vince, Donyell and Lamond Murray? Take off the purple coloured glasses.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Supersonic:</div><div class="quote_post">Why would we give up Ray, Rashard and Ridnour for essentially two players, one injury prone and one over thirty? I rate Marshall, but assuming Ray for Vince is the straight up part of the deal, I'm not going to give up Rashard and Ridnour for Donyell Marshall. Tell me, if you were Seattle, would you ship Ray Allen, Rashard Lewis and Luke Ridnour to Toronto for Vince, Donyell and Lamond Murray? Take off the purple coloured glasses.</div> last time i checked ray missed more games then vince last season. a LOT more. sonics arent winning either...and donyell may be over thirty, but he's going to give you more rebounding, better D and some shot blocking. hes not a dominant shot blocker, but hes decent. i never even suggested ridnour, take him out of the equasion and it seems like a viable deal to me. vince will sell more tickets then allen, and thats just as important to a franchise (a business) as stats. YOUR the one who suggested that seattle would have to be "desperate" to pull the trigger on that deal...why dont you take off your green glasses and ill stop rolling my eyes. its not a desperate deal, its a reasonable deal. you dont like it...fine, its hardly a move of desperation.
Rashard Lewis is 24, Luke Ridnour is 22. We are not going to be a contender anytime soon, I don't see the point of mortgaging future assets for players that, let's face it, aren't exactly proven winners either. I'm happy to trade Rashard, but I want younger guys back. It's a horrible deal for Seattle, end of story.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">last time i checked ray missed more games then vince last season. a LOT more.</div> And last time I checked Vince misses games every season. If I was offered Vince for Ray straight up I doubt I'd do it, so I'm not sure why I'd give up two more key parts for essentially one guy who's over 30, and while he's a good player, only gets 15 and 10 in the East. He is undersized in the West.
