Toronto trades: SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.1 minutes) Toronto receives: SF Corliss Williamson (9.5 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.7 apg in 19.9 minutes) C Elden Campbell (5.5 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.7 apg in 13.7 minutes) SF TayShaun Prince (10.3 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 2.3 apg in 32.9 minutes) Change in team outlook: +2.8 ppg, +6.4 rpg, and -1.1 apg. Detroit trades: SF Corliss Williamson (9.5 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.7 apg in 19.9 minutes) C Elden Campbell (5.5 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.7 apg in 13.7 minutes) SF TayShaun Prince (10.3 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 2.3 apg in 32.9 minutes) Detroit receives: SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 73 games) Change in team outlook: -2.8 ppg, -6.4 rpg, and +1.1 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED Due to Toronto and Detroit being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Toronto and Detroit had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (if it comes out wrong im sry) any way this may happen the fact that vince wants to be traded and larry brown has said he loves vince carter as a player and he loved coching him at the usa game. not very benificial for toronto but still its a thought
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Birdman33:</div><div class="quote_post">And Vince Carter is broke, and unfixable.</div> 9 games missed and 22ppg, 5 apg, 5 rpg is broke and unfixable? <div class="quote_poster">Quoting KG-MVP:</div><div class="quote_post">Tayshaun will be way better than him.</div> tayshaun will be 20 5 and 5? tayshaun will sell tickets and lead the league in all-star votes? i love tayshaun as much as the next guy, but come on...he's a role player, not a superstar either way, the trade stinks. raptors are never going to give up vince for some role players. IF the raps trade him, it'll be for another premier player like pierce or ray allen...etc. toronto depends on a big name star to sell tickets and keep the seats full at ACC.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Warriorfansnc93:</div><div class="quote_post">Detroit just won the title. If it aint broke, dont fix it.</div> EXACTLY Detroit wont touch its line up like that, why would they add vince carter anyways? So he can complain aobut the violence and the media?
Babcock: "I don't want to trade him because I think he's a franchise player that we can build around." That doesn't mean he'll reject every trade, but he'll reject trades like this. Just give up people. Vince is untouchable for the off-season. Unless the Raptors are offered Kidd and Martin for Vince, then Babcock would accept that. Otherwise, he's not trading Vince. I'd even put money on it that Vince won't be traded.
Prince may not average 20 and 5. but on a team like Detroit, where it is not about numbers and the fans are there rooting the champs...does it matter? And VC will never give up the defensive effort that the Kobe stopper puts up every night.
Just because contracts work doesn't mean teams will do trades, we already had Corliss, we traded him, Elden Campbell is a very very old man, and Tayshaun is just an average player, what do the Raptors gain in this? We can get a player of Tayshaun's capabilities in the FA market without getting two guys we don't need and losing a star player, this is just horrible. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">They better not give up Tayshaun to damn VC, Tayshaun will be way better than him.</div> Tayshuan won't be better than Bonzi wells, I like him, good player, but not a superstar, not even an All-Star, even if he was on another team. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And VC will never give up the defensive effort that the Kobe stopper puts up every night.</div> Kobe stopped himself I didn't know Tayshaun was Rubuen Patterson.
The Raptors simply need a star in return for VC or it makes no sense to trade him. Vince should have thought before he signed a long term deal. But somehow I think he will be in a Raptors uniform next season.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting eYeKey:</div><div class="quote_post">And VC will never give up the defensive effort that the Kobe stopper puts up every night.</div> If Tayshaun is the "Kobe stopper" of the league, then I'm the second coming of Michael Jordan. Kobe had no help on offense. Sure, everyone will argue that he could've just drove in on Prince, but look what happened when he did. He was doubled and tripled...blocked a few times when three guys jumped in the air to swat his shot away. Okay...if there are no Lakers around to help...just standing behind the three or laying in the paint...then how is Prince the Kobe stopper? If Malone and George would've properly set the screens for him, Tayshaun's skinny frame would've never pushed through them, and then it would've been a driving Kobe all by himself against whoever was in the paint at the time...and he would've embarassed them. And to answer the thread, Vince is worth alot to the Raptors...and he would be to me if I was the GM also. Trading him off for mediocre players would be like the Warriors and Magic have done in the past and paid for it. Lose the best players, then play like crap for a decade. Just my two cents...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">If Tayshaun is the "Kobe stopper" of the league, then I'm the second coming of Michael Jordan. Kobe had no help on offense. Sure, everyone will argue that he could've just drove in on Prince, but look what happened when he did. He was doubled and tripled...blocked a few times when three guys jumped in the air to swat his shot away. Okay...if there are no Lakers around to help...just standing behind the three or laying in the paint...then how is Prince the Kobe stopper? If Malone and George would've properly set the screens for him, Tayshaun's skinny frame would've never pushed through them, and then it would've been a driving Kobe all by himself against whoever was in the paint at the time...and he would've embarassed them. </div> Sorry, that's inaccurate. If you actually payed attention to that part of the series it was 90% Prince that was stoping Kobe. Kobe coudn't ever get anything wit prince on him. Prince is a spectacular young player. I dont care if VC sells tickets, that fact just proves hes over-rated. Tayshaun wont ever sell tickets , but he might just average that, and if he doesnt, hed still be a much more valuable player then VC has ever been. Dont blame Kobe's failure on other things. I didnt know that Lakers fans were still whining.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KG-MVP:</div><div class="quote_post">Sorry, that's inaccurate. If you actually payed attention to that part of the series it was 90% Prince that was stoping Kobe. Kobe coudn't ever get anything wit prince on him. Prince is a spectacular young player. I dont care if VC sells tickets, that fact just proves hes over-rated. Tayshaun wont ever sell tickets , but he might just average that, and if he doesnt, hed still be a much more valuable player then VC has ever been. Dont blame Kobe's failure on other things. I didnt know that Lakers fans were still whining.</div> maybe you dont care about the fact that vc sells tickets, but that kind of thing is VERY valuable to an nba team...aka a business how is 22, 5 and 5 overrated? you stare good stats in the face, and refuse to see the obvious.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Sorry, that's inaccurate. If you actually payed attention to that part of the series it was 90% Prince that was stoping Kobe. Kobe coudn't ever get anything wit prince on him. Prince is a spectacular young player. I dont care if VC sells tickets, that fact just proves hes over-rated. Tayshaun wont ever sell tickets , but he might just average that, and if he doesnt, hed still be a much more valuable player then VC has ever been. Dont blame Kobe's failure on other things. I didnt know that Lakers fans were still whining.</div> Huh? Does that even make sense to anyone, Tayshaun will be a more valuable player than Vince has ever been, championships really get to people's heads, I guess Tyronn "Iverson stopper" Lue is more valuable than a lot of stars like Pierce, Iverson, Vince etc will ever be too. Tayshaun isn't that good a defender, he's extremly easy to beat off the dribble by other SF's or SG's, the problem was that Kobe wasn't driving on him, he was launching up jumpers against a guy with a 7'0 wingspan, Tayshaun is no stopper, he has the advantage of Ben and Sheed behind him. Earlier in the season (before Sheed), the Raptors played the Pistons, and the first game, he drove on them all day (Prince or Rip) and got to the line 16 times, the second game, Carter raped Tayshaun off the dribble whenever he was on him, because with only Ben there it isn't the same. Kobe could do the same, but it's a different tory with Ben and Sheed in the paint.
He also gets over a steal a game and blocked only 5 less shots than Kobe and TMac combined last season and he is the shortest of the three. And most "injured".
Yup and if you look at all the games against the Pistons, when Sheed and Ben were there, Carter did bad because he was launching up jumpers. When it was only Ben, Carter easily killed Tayshaun off the dribble, and beat him, with only Ben he shot 45.9%, with Ben and Sheed he shot 28.6%, now who is really doing the stopping, Tayshuan or the 2 big men inside?
But didn't Rob Babcock say they aren't just goign to give VC away... I think that's a shitty deal for the Raps. Coming from Detroit in that trade I don't see anyone in that deal that would ever be as good as VC. Slim chance of Prince, but I have only really seen him dominate in the playoffs and is a risk to take. I would not do this if I were the GM.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post"> tayshaun will be 20 5 and 5? tayshaun will sell tickets and lead the league in all-star votes?</div> the only reason vc gets a lot of all-star votes is because he has basically a whole country behind him. does he deserver all/most of the votes most years? No,imo. will he continue to get all those votes and play ithe all-star game?Yes. i'm not a vince hater, i like vince and hopes he doesn't get injured anymore and become the old vince. but he is taking away vote from people who really deserve to be on the all-star team. he will always get votes b/c he can do nice dunks and have a big game here or there, but i personally think he is taking away votes from deserving players. ps. if detroit trades for vc, they are taking a risk and you be idiotic in doing it. they are trading key pieces of thier championship team and have to get additional players to fit into their system. there is no reason for detroit to accept that trade. plus i dont know if toronot would want elden and corliss. i think they would rather have younger players in return.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting throwback:</div><div class="quote_post">the only reason vc gets a lot of all-star votes is because he has basically a whole country behind him. </div> Are you ignorant or what? A whole country behind VC? Ok.. how come Yao Ming didn't win the all star balloting then? He got what.. some 1.3 bil ppl behind him? and look at the chart below. VC still got 269,863 paper ballots and voting on a paper was only allowed in arenas in the states. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">voting at Loews Cineplex Entertainment movie theaters along with Foot Locker, Circuit City and Champs Sports locations throughout the United States. Sprite, America Online, Champs Sports, Reebok and 989 Sports also returned as balloting partners this year. These outlets were in addition to ballots that were distributed in all 28 NBA arenas. </div>Note that it says "28" ARENAS? If you do the math (29-28), Air Canada Centre is excluded from the list of arenas where ballots were distributed. According to your theory, VC should have got no paper ballots or much MUCH less than what he had. But guess what? He got more paper ballots than any of the leading vote getters with the exception of Tim Duncan. He even beat Ben Wallace. TOP 10 OVERALL VOTE-GETTERS ELECTRONIC PAPER TOTAL Vince Carter (Toronto) 1,857,320 269,863 2,127,183 Ben Wallace (Detroit) 1,718,133 264,118 1,982,251 Kevin Garnett (Minnesota) 1,526,467 254,451 1,780,918 Kobe Bryant (L.A. Lakers) 1,541,100 218,617 1,759,717 Allen Iverson (Philadelphia) 1,516,724 214,924 1,731,648 Tim Duncan (San Antonio) 1,350,066 331,369 1,681,435 Jermaine O?Neal (Indiana) 1,401,331 227,723 1,629,054 Yao Ming (Houston) 1,241,347 243,184 1,484,531 Shaquille O'Neal (L.A. Lakers) 1,245,728 207,558 1,453,286 Tracy McGrady (Orlando) 1,096,578 135,247 1,231,825
