Will their every be another quaterback like Mike Vick

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  1. JustBry07

    JustBry07 The Underdog

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    SoCal Falcon trust me man, you wont get anywhere with this topic in this forum. I'd say pretty much everyone has issues with Vick, and probably the Falcons as well. It would be smart on your part to just let it go, believe me I've tried too, there are just too many narrow minds.
     
  2. SoCal Falcon

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBry07)</div><div class='quotemain'>SoCal Falcon trust me man, you wont get anywhere with this topic in this forum. I'd say pretty much everyone has issues with Vick, and probably the Falcons as well. It would be smart on your part to just let it go, believe me I've tried too, there are just too many narrow minds.</div>

    yeah, i know but since I am new, thought I would register my opinions. [​IMG] No matter, all I care is that we are the NFC S Champs and on our way...they can hate all the way to the SuperBowl!
     
  3. JustBry07

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    Haha, agreed.
     
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    20 people think Vick is no better than above average, 2 people think hes a living god, who has the narrow mind? Bottomline? Vick is athletic enough to win the games in which his team is better even without the arm, but can he do it when his teams is not better? Time will tell, but I don;t think you will be enjoying this weekend....
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>20 people think Vick is no better than above average, 2 people think hes a living god, who has the narrow mind? Bottomline? Vick is athletic enough to win the games in which his team is better even without the arm, but can he do it when his teams is not better? Time will tell, but I don;t think you will be enjoying this weekend....</div>

    So all 11 teams we beat, we were supposed to win and we were the superior team, right? That is your logic. I would say that the Falcons team, as a whole, is probably about 17th (somewhere in the teens) in terms of overall talent. With Vick, the Falcons are a Top 8 team (if not better) - no denying that.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SoCal Falcon)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>20 people think Vick is no better than above average, 2 people think hes a living god, who has the narrow mind? Bottomline? Vick is athletic enough to win the games in which his team is better even without the arm, but can he do it when his teams is not better? Time will tell, but I don;t think you will be enjoying this weekend....</div>

    So all 11 teams we beat, we were supposed to win and we were the superior team, right? That is your logic. I would say that the Falcons team, as a whole, is probably about 17th (somewhere in the teens) in terms of overall talent. With Vick, the Falcons are a Top 8 team (if not better) - no denying that.</div>

    See it is this kind of misinformation that proves you dont know what you are talking about. So here, list the 11 teams you beat this season and i will recant all previous statements about vick.
     
  7. SoCal Falcon

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SoCal Falcon)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>20 people think Vick is no better than above average, 2 people think hes a living god, who has the narrow mind? Bottomline? Vick is athletic enough to win the games in which his team is better even without the arm, but can he do it when his teams is not better? Time will tell, but I don;t think you will be enjoying this weekend....</div>

    So all 11 teams we beat, we were supposed to win and we were the superior team, right? That is your logic. I would say that the Falcons team, as a whole, is probably about 17th (somewhere in the teens) in terms of overall talent. With Vick, the Falcons are a Top 8 team (if not better) - no denying that.</div>

    See it is this kind of misinformation that proves you dont know what you are talking about. So here, list the 11 teams you beat this season and i will recant all previous statements about vick.</div>

    Dude, what the hell are u bitchin' about? What misinformation? You need to thouroughly read the posts before you comment. Let me see if I can recall who we beat...

    Rams, Cards, Broncos, Chargers, Giants, 49ers, - shit, that is all I can remember [​IMG] Does it really matter? What is your beef with my boys? Did Vick steal your prom date or something? Geez...I'm out. Bly, you were right about this board. Try to have a spirited conversation and folks get all bunched up over some shit that doesn't even matter. Vick is doing great things for the Falcons and that is all that matters to me and the rest of the fans.
     
  8. JustBry07

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    Haha you know what I find the most humerous, you saying that 2 people think he's a living God. Is that supposed to be a joke, Vick is getting no where near the praise that Peyton Manning is. Do I think Vick is a God...no. Its not narrow minded to give a player or team credit for what they are doing, and many of you cant even handle that. I give Manning credit, but is he a God, definately not. Hes got a good system with him, he's older and more experienced than Vick.

    You know most of the people who cant give even the slightest bit of credit are people who's teams arent doing shit this year, and have pretty brutal QBs. You come down on the teams and players doing well because lets face it you have nothing to brag about when it comes to your teams do ya? I'll call it bitter and jealous, although you wont admit to that, I'm pretty sure its a very accurate statement!
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SoCal Falcon)</div><div class='quotemain'>Rams, Cards, Broncos, Chargers, Giants, 49ers, - shit, that is all I can remember [​IMG] Does it really matter?</div>

    I believe BF1 has offered to recant his arguments if you can name the 11 teams the Falcons beat, I would do some research if I was you and try to find them(even if its impossible)....
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SoCal Falcon)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SoCal Falcon)</div><div class='quotemain'>

    So all 11 teams we beat, we were supposed to win and we were the superior team, right? That is your logic. I would say that the Falcons team, as a whole, is probably about 17th (somewhere in the teens) in terms of overall talent. With Vick, the Falcons are a Top 8 team (if not better) - no denying that.</div>

    See it is this kind of misinformation that proves you dont know what you are talking about. So here, list the 11 teams you beat this season and i will recant all previous statements about vick.</div>

    Dude, what the hell are u bitchin' about? What misinformation? You need to thouroughly read the posts before you comment. Let me see if I can recall who we beat...

    Rams, Cards, Broncos, Chargers, Giants, 49ers, - shit, that is all I can remember [​IMG] Does it really matter? What is your beef with my boys? Did Vick steal your prom date or something? Geez...I'm out. Bly, you were right about this board. Try to have a spirited conversation and folks get all bunched up over some shit that doesn't even matter. Vick is doing great things for the Falcons and that is all that matters to me and the rest of the fans.</div>

    Fact is they did NOT beat 11 teams, that is what you said they beat 11 teams, but they didnt, that is misinformation
     
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    Speaking of misinformation, Im still waiting for the QB that ran for 200 yards and passed for 100....I may recant my arguement if you can produce that guy....
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BJames1156)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bleedblk&gld)</div><div class='quotemain'>Vick has speed and can slang the ball. He will be a better playmaker than Cunningham and will most probably break a few more records in his career. If you watch A. Brooks, him and M. Vick throw the ball they're the same. GUN SLINGERS.</div>


    C'mon bbg you can't use thier names in the same sentence except if you say they are cousins. You and I have seen more Saints games than anyone on here probably. And we know how great Brooks is. (He is not)</div>

    I think if you had a quality O-coordinator brooks might very will be goign to pro bowl every year, he lacks a little in accuracy, but for the most part makes good decisions,makes all the throws, and he wants to win.</div>


    Took the words right out of my mouth. He lacks a OC and accuracy. Other than that i'd rather have him on my team over 25 other starting QB's in the league.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBry07)</div><div class='quotemain'>Haha you know what I find the most humerous, you saying that 2 people think he's a living God. Is that supposed to be a joke, Vick is getting no where near the praise that Peyton Manning is. Do I think Vick is a God...no. Its not narrow minded to give a player or team credit for what they are doing, and many of you cant even handle that. I give Manning credit, but is he a God, definately not. Hes got a good system with him, he's older and more experienced than Vick.

    You know most of the people who cant give even the slightest bit of credit are people who's teams arent doing shit this year, and have pretty brutal QBs. You come down on the teams and players doing well because lets face it you have nothing to brag about when it comes to your teams do ya? I'll call it bitter and jealous, although you wont admit to that, I'm pretty sure its a very accurate statement!</div>


    Vick can never coome close to being as good as manning.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBry07)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>

    Honest opinion, what is the Falcons record with Peyton Manning as their QB, or even Drew Brees or Chad Pennington....I think they are better than 11-5 and have a better chance to win it all with any of those guys....If they had not made the Vick trade and instead drafted the guys the Chargers drafted(Brees and Tomlinson), they would be a far superior team to the one that may lose to the Rams this weekend....</div>

    I dont agree with you. If Manning was that damn good, why did it take him 5 years to win a playoff game??</div>

    That I agree with. Hey if you were to put Manning with some mediocore team he would not be shining as brightly as he is right now, he's working with a great offense. Not saying Manning isnt a great QB because I'm sure someone will freak the hell out just cause I said that. However Vick on the other hand is winning games with a horrible O-Line, and with WRs that are mediocore as far as I'm concerned. So why no credit? Stats are nothing compared to getting a W in as many games as you possibly can in the regular season, and making it to the post-season. A win is a win, and it takes talent to win 11 games in the NFL.</div>

    but it doesn't take talent to win 11 games in a pathetic division and conference....come play were the defenses roam free in the AFC east and see what your record would be....try 8-8 at best and no playoffs.
     
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    Falcon fans, I don't hate either the team or Vick, so let me give you some honest, outside opinion.

    Vick makes his current team much better than it otherwise would be with a lot of other quarterbacks. He makes plays that wins games. I don't think this team has enough talent around Vick to win a Superbowl. We'll see if I'm wrong. Regarless, you stick Vick on the worst team and he will still win some games for them.

    When someone asks me who the greatest QB of all time is....or who I would put on my team....I always ask first about what kind of a team I have. If I have a good team, I want an accurate, pocket passer because that is what the team needs. If the OL is crap, I want a mobile QB who can make his own plays. Ideally, you want the first, but the latter can work too.

    If the rest of the team doesn't do their job, someone like Manning is limited. Vick is less limited. Vick would not be able to do what Manning did this year, regardless of the talent. Perhaps Manning could not do what Vick has done with some of the Falcon teams.

    Troy Aikman is one of the best examples. When the team around him was good, he thrived as one of the most reliable and efficient QBs. When the receiving core and line broke down, he wasn't the type of QB you wanted.

    The question isn't so much as who is the better QB, but what type of team do you want. If you want a good all-around team, you want a QB that will take better advantage of the plays others can make. In that case, Vick is above average at best. If you need a QB that has to make the plays without help, Vick should be in the top 3-4 of your list.
     
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    I want a team that can win the Super Bowl and no avg team is gonna win reguardless of what the QB does....case in point, 1984....Marino throws for 5000 yards and 48 TDs, wills the team right top the Super Bowl and they get smoked by one of the best "teams" in NFL history....I think your assessment of Vick is right on, and its exactly why I wouldnt want him....a QB that can make my bad team avg and my average team good will prevent me from winning a Super Bowl because I can never rebuild, the fans wont allow me to pull apart a "good" team(atleast one with a good record)....give me the guy that can make my good team great so i can go thruough life without naked fingers....
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SoCal Falcon)</div><div class='quotemain'>Rams, Cards, Broncos, Chargers, Giants, 49ers, - shit, that is all I can remember [​IMG] Does it really matter?</div>

    I believe BF1 has offered to recant his arguments if you can name the 11 teams the Falcons beat, I would do some research if I was you and try to find them(even if its impossible)....</div>

    Who the heck arey ou guys to tell me what the f!i* to do! Look it up yourselves...I am done with this subject. Say what you will. I'm wearin' my Vick jersey at work today and all smiles baby...all smiles... [​IMG]
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SoCal Falcon)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>

    See it is this kind of misinformation that proves you dont know what you are talking about. So here, list the 11 teams you beat this season and i will recant all previous statements about vick.</div>

    Dude, what the hell are u bitchin' about? What misinformation? You need to thouroughly read the posts before you comment. Let me see if I can recall who we beat...

    Rams, Cards, Broncos, Chargers, Giants, 49ers, - shit, that is all I can remember [​IMG] Does it really matter? What is your beef with my boys? Did Vick steal your prom date or something? Geez...I'm out. Bly, you were right about this board. Try to have a spirited conversation and folks get all bunched up over some shit that doesn't even matter. Vick is doing great things for the Falcons and that is all that matters to me and the rest of the fans.</div>

    Fact is they did NOT beat 11 teams, that is what you said they beat 11 teams, but they didnt, that is misinformation</div>

    The team record is 11-5, or did you miss that?
     
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    so name the 11 teams they beat!!!! are you so stupid that you dont understand the request? YOU SAID THEY BEAT 11 TEAMS, NAME THEM....YOU ASKED WHAT OTHER QB IS CAPABLE OF 200 YARDS RUSHING AND 100 YARDS PASSING, SO I ASK YOU, WHO DID THAT?


    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SoCal Falcon)</div><div class='quotemain'>Who the heck arey ou guys to tell me what the f!i* to do!</div>


    I'm TheBeef, and its nice to meet you....
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SoCal Falcon)</div><div class='quotemain'>So all 11 teams we beat . . .</div>

    Falcons only beat 10 teams, that is a FACT, if you dont believe me go to NFL.COM and look at their schedule this season, they beat 10 Teams.
     

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