Will their every be another quaterback like Mike Vick

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Since Mcnabb and Culpepper have put up pedestrian numbers without TO/Moss, and then you penalize manning for having good recievers?</div>

Culpepper played a whopping 5 1/2 games without Moss in his career. It is really difficult to say how he is going to do without him. Here are the stats from those 5 games:

10/17/2004 - vs NO - 26/37 425 5 2
10/24/2004 - vs TEN - 24/30 183 1 0
10/31/2004 - vs NYG - 24/42 231 1 2
11/14/2004 - vs GB - 27/44 363 4 0
11/21/2004 - vs DET - 22/32 233 2 1
11/28/2004 - vs JAC - 19/27 235 1 1

So, if we were to average the stats without the New Orleans game since Moss was in that game for the first half, we end up with the following line:

Comp%: 66%
Avg Yds/Game: 249 yds/game
TDs/Game: 1.8
INTs/Game: 0.8

If you throw in the New Orleans game, you get even better results. Granted, these are lower than when he plays with Moss, but that is the same for any QB.

If you also factor in how much Minnesota game plans around Moss and the fact that Culpepper was playing without him for the first time in his career, I'll take these 'pedestrian' numbers any day of the week.

I also think 5 games is far too little to make any conclusions on how good Culpepper really is without Moss.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sharperD)</div><div class='quotemain'>Id take Culpepper over both of them any day.He and Mcnabb are the best QBs in the league.I would say Manning if i saw him put up the numbers he did last year without that supporting cast of awesome WRs he had.Culpepper and Mcnabb can both run and pass and Culpepper is really difficult to take down and look at him....he ways like 270 pounds and he is pretty quick</div>


I love it...brady is still left off the "elite" list by some people...

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBry07)</div><div class='quotemain'>No, you're right Vick cant throw nearly as well as Boller and Boller cant run like Vick. If Vick were to get better in the passing game, he would be the perfect example of a hybrid QB. I would take him as a QB over a pure pocket passer anyday. The hybrid leaves you with more options.</div>

Exactly, the only problem is that vick has consistently his entire pro and college career shown an inabilty to pass the ball accurately in the intermediate to long game so there is no reason to think he could evr be that good passing.</div>

Nah, I think with the right coaching, some time and experience he could improve his passing game. Even if he hasnt shown a great one up until now. He really needs to improve on throwing the long ball, that is true. He may not improve it, theres no way of knowing for sure, but I think he will.

 

I don't like Manning, Culpepper, and Brady. Mainly because when I try to trade for them, their value is A++ and I would have to trade someone good for them. And they are also old. So then I drafted a rookie WR and all of my plays were to throw it to him and make him a Punt/Kick Returner. So he will be good.

By the way, do you guys play Rookie, Pro, All-Pro, or All-Madden? Because I play All-Pro.

 

I'm playing on All-Pro right now too, pretty soon I'm going to move it up to All-Madden though because All-Pro isnt much of a challenge anymore.

 

The Best Qb in the league right now in my eyes is Peyton Manning, followed by Donovan Mcnabb, Followed by Daunte Cullpepper, with Brett Favre Taking the 4th spot, and then I'll throw in tom Brady even though im not a big fan of his he is great, and I'll leave it at that. Vick would be an elite if he learned how to pass first anb run later, Vick proably has the strongest arm in football right now and with his athletic abillity he has the potential to be amazing, however until he learns to throw before the Run in my eyes he isn't an elite QB.

 

Mike Vick might be able to throw the ball harder but I definitely think that Culpepper can throw the ball further.Ive seen him throw the ball like 85 yards in the air

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'>I don't like Manning, Culpepper, and Brady. Mainly because when I try to trade for them, their value is A++ and I would have to trade someone good for them. And they are also old. So then I drafted a rookie WR and all of my plays were to throw it to him and make him a Punt/Kick Returner. So he will be good.

By the way, do you guys play Rookie, Pro, All-Pro, or All-Madden? Because I play All-Pro.</div>

If you want to cheat to get those better players you can change thier position, even though they arent on your team(i.e. make manning a CB, then he is easy to trade for.)

P.S. if you play in career mode draft a QB in first round you should be able to make him dominant in 3 years.